Auditions méconnues et/ou infructueuses

[Everflow]

Connaissez-vous des musiciens "célèbres" ayant auditionné pour des groupes de même renommée, mais sans être retenus au final?

Voici par exemple Chuck Billy (Testament) qui avait auditionné pour intégrer Sepultura après le départ de Max Cavalera :

[Yathin Lizzy]

Eddie Van Halen, Jay jay French, Ritchie Sambora et Doug Aldritch ont auditionné pour Kiss.

Ralph Sheepers a auditionné pour Judas Priest.

Mike Di Meio (Riot) a auditionné pour Deep Purple ( à l epoque Slave&masters)

[NicoGan]

On doit pouvoir retrouver les bassistes qui ont auditionnés pour Metallica après le départ de Newsted.

[olivier64]

La plus fameuse :

[Everflow]

Attention, le sujet ce sont les auditions méconnues voire "secrètes", car l'artiste en question n'a PAS été retenu par le groupe donc l'information est potentiellement restée confidentielle un certain temps.

Par exemple : Jeff Loomis (Nevermore) qui avait postulé pour intégrer Megadeth.

[Bertrand]

Lee Altus a postulé aussi pour Megadeth.

Andre Matos et DC Cooper ont aussi auditionnés pour Judas Priest.

Jon Oliva a postulé pour Black Sabbath, et son frère pour Megadeth.

[ominergy]

+ Ralph Scheepers pour Judas priest.

[olivier64]

Attention, le sujet ce sont les auditions méconnues voire "secrètes", car l'artiste en question n'a PAS été retenu par le groupe donc l'information est potentiellement restée confidentielle un certain temps.

Oups, j'avais mal lu.

[Bertrand]

Steve Marriott a auditionné pour les Rolling Stones mais ça ne plaisait pas à Mick Jagger, car il chantait mieux que lui et était plus beau et charismatique. Du coup il n'en a pas voulu.

[olivier64]

Tiens, en parlant des STONES, ça me rappelle que Rory Gallagher aurait répété avec eux en 1975, en remplacement de Mick Taylor. Infos ici, avec des analyses assez justes : http://rory-gallagher.forumactif.org/t7 ... dans-cream

[Bertrand]

Exact, mais il préférait être le leader de son groupe plutôt qu'un remplaçant dans un gros groupe dans lequel il n'aurait eu aucune liberté.
Puis le mode de vie des Stones était à l'opposé du sien.

[lelite]

George Lynch avait tenté l'audition pour remplacer le départ Jack E Lee de chez le père Ozzy ; Par contre je sais plus où je l'ai lu cette info sans doute un mag ricain de guitare style "guitar for practising musician "

[Bertrand]

George a postulé plusieurs fois chez Ozzy, sans succès.

[Bib]

Par exemple : Jeff Loomis (Nevermore) qui avait postulé pour intégrer Megadeth.

Loomis a postulé chez Ozzy et s'est vexé que Gus G ait la place !

[Everflow]

^ Marrant, celle-là je ne l'avais pas entendu.

- Voici les derniers sélectionnés pour remplacer Bruce Dickinson en 1993 :

Steve Grimmet (Grim Reaper)
André Matos (Viper, Angra, Shaman)
Doogie White (Rainbow, MSG)
James Labrie (Dream Theater)

source : divers forums sur Maiden et interviews, mais difficile de trouver des infos fiables.

- Voici le dernier carré qui a failli remplacer Rob Halford à la même époque :

DC Cooper (Royal Hunt, Silent Force) => le mieux placé derrière Tim Owens
Ralf Scheepers (Primal Fear, Gamma Ray) => n'a pas été auditionné bizarrement
David Reece (Dare Force, Beowulf, Lillian X, Accept, Bangalore Choir, Sircle Of Silence)
Sebastian Bach (Skid Row)

d'autres qui ont auditionné ou qui ont été invités :

Tim Lachman (Gargoyle) => le frère du futur guitariste d'Halford en solo...
Anthony O' Hara (Praying Mantis, Horakane)
Tony Mills (TNT, Shy, Siam)
Devin Townsend (Strapping Young Lad) => a refusé d'auditionner, mais il était sur la liste
Jeff Martin (Surgical Steel, Racer X, Badlands, MSG) => n'a pas été invité mais était sur la liste
Ski (Deadly Blessing, Faith factor) => a postulé mais n'a pas été retenu sur la liste
John West (Royal Hunt, Artension, Badlands, Lynch Mob) => pas très clair, il paraît qu'il aurait aussi tenté pour Maiden...

source : http://www.thexquorum.com/mad/JUGULATOR.html

- John Bush (Armored Saint, Anthrax) a reçu une proposition pour chanter dans Metallica au début des années 80, mais il a décliné.

source : John Bush lui-même.

[Yathin Lizzy]

Mustaine voulait Jeff Waters à la fin des années 80, ce dernier bien que fan et flatté n a pas accepté.

[ominergy]

Mustaine a essayé du beau monde, apparemment pour Waters ils auraient pris conscience que les égos poseraient problème mais entre Criss Oliva et Diamond Darell ça fait de sacrés gratteux ( à noter "l'expérience" Jay Reynolds dans le bouquin de Megadave assez marrante) testés.

Pour le poste d'Halford j'avais entendu de source plutôt sûre ( André Andersen de royal hunt) que les 3 finalistes étaient DC Cooper, Ralph Scheepers et donc Tim Owens.

Et pour le poste Jeff Loomis, apparemment trop vieux pour Ozzy ( http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jeff-l ... arist-gig/

[lelite]

Et pour le poste Jeff Loomis, apparemment trop vieux pour Ozzy ( http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jeff-l ... arist-gig/

Intéressant ce lien, où on apprends que Mustaine avait proposé à Loomis de rejoindre mégadeth sur la fin du "system has failed tour " et n'a pas pu puisqu'il était en plein sessions d'enregistrement de son album solo, et c'est Broderick qui a été choisi, dommage...
Sinon pour Ozzy c'est Sharon qui mène la barque autant dire que pour elle les critères musicaux sont secondaire

I jammed with the band and Ozzy basically just watched from the couch with Sharon. He's, like, 'Fucking bloody fantastic guitar playing, man! That's fucking amazing!' Then Sharon came up to me and said, 'Jeff, how old are you?' I'm, like, 'I'm 38.' 'Oh, okay. Thank you.'

le grec € ou l'américain $$$

[Bertrand]

^ Marrant, celle-là je ne l'avais pas entendu.

- Voici les derniers sélectionnés pour remplacer Bruce Dickinson en 1993 :

Steve Grimmet (Grim Reaper)
André Matos (Viper, Angra, Shaman)
Doogie White (Rainbow, MSG)
James Labrie (Dream Theater)

source : divers forums sur Maiden et interviews, mais difficile de trouver des infos fiables.

pour être chanteur de Maiden, condition obligatoire: être anglais.

[PE]

Pour le poste d'Halford j'avais entendu de source plutôt sûre ( André Andersen de royal hunt) que les 3 finalistes étaient DC Cooper, Ralph Scheepers et donc Tim Owens.

C'est vrai, je l'ai eu directement de DC Cooper également. Il n'a par contre jamais réellement auditionné pour le groupe (joué avec eux), même chose pour Scheepers. Ils n'ont pas tenu de vraies auditions live avant de tomber sur Ripper. En tout cas, c'est ce qui a mis DC sur le radar de Royal Hunt qui l'ont embauché après. Qui a entendu DC Cooper chanter "All guns blazing" en live ne peut avoir aucun doute sur sa capacité à assurer le job dans Judas Priest si cela avait été le cas. A part Ripper justement, j'ai rarement entendu une telle puissance vocale, si tu es à côté de lui quand il chante a capella, tu cherches tes protections auditives frénétiquement tellement il envoie du volume

[guardianofsteel]

Phil Anselmo avait auditionné pour Rigor Mortis (le texan).

[Everflow]

Eddie Van Halen, Jay jay French, Ritchie Sambora et Doug Aldritch ont auditionné pour Kiss.

L'impressionnante liste complète dans cet article : http://metaltalk.net/columns2016/20160849.php

[lelite]

Eddie Van Halen,......) ont auditionné pour Kiss.

? sources ?
Que Eddie au départ de Ace Frehley ait rencontré Gene Simmons lors d'une soirée bien arrosée (dépité des relations difficiles avec DL Roth), et que ce dernier lui aurait proposé le remplacement, peut être mais une audition j'y crois pas trop !

[mike-polar]

Les Claypool (Primus) avait auditioné avec Metallica après la mort de Cliff Burton.

Il ya une vidéo sur youtube où il en parle et dit qu'il avait un style et un sense de l'humour un peu trop excentrique pour le groupe. Pas assez true non plus.

[PE]

Les Claypool (Primus) avait auditioné avec Metallica après la mort de Cliff Burton.

Il ya une vidéo sur youtube où il en parle et dit qu'il avait un style et un sense de l'humour un peu trop excentrique pour le groupe. Pas assez true non plus.

Tiré du livre "Primus, over the electric grapevine" par Greg Prato

LES CLAYPOOL: I guess I had seen Metallica once. Metallica had played the Kabuki Theater, and I’d gotten tickets. It was around Ride the Lightning. John Marshall was Kirk’s tech—we all went to high school together. So I got these tickets to go see Metallica, and me and Todd went. We had just come from hanging out at Live 105, with all these new wavers and whatnot. So we show up, and we’ve got these long trench coats on, my hair is all slicked back, and I’ve got these Stacy Adams shoes—I look like one of the guys from Morris Day and the Time. And we come walking into this Metallica show at the Kabuki, and there’s this writhing pit of kids, frothing. I’m seeing this energy, and I’m going, Shit, what is this? That was when they had the two pictures of the demons on the sides of the stage. It scared the shit out of me. But it was compelling.
I met Cliff Burton [Metallica bassist] right before he died, actually [Burton died in a tour bus accident, on September 27, 1986]. He came to a show, because Primus was playing this battle of the bands, and Faith No More was one of the bands. So it was us, Faith No More, and some other band that I can’t remember the name of. And Cliff was at the show, because he was good friends with Jim Martin and Mike Bordin. I knew he was the bass player for Metallica because Trouz’s mom was buddies with all of them—she helped them with their stuff in the early days. So he came up to me and said, “Hey, great bass playing.” And I said, “Thanks!” But that was the extent of it, and then he died like a month later or something. And then the battle of bands, neither us nor Faith No More won—this other band won. [Laughs]
I remember hearing through the grapevine, “Oh, Kirk joined this band Metallica, and they’ve got an album out.” Even having an album out in those days was like, “Oh my god, that’s amazing.” And then, “Oh, he’s touring the world,” and, “He’s doing this,” and, “He’s doing that.” The next thing you know, I’m auditioning for Metallica. I didn’t even know that much about them, except that it was Kirk’s band. And I learned all these songs. I was just hoping I’d be able to quit my carpentry job. [Laughs]

TODD HUTH: I remember he disappeared for a while. We kept playing, and I was doing some other stuff on my own. I just remember that Metallica needed a bass player, and he said he was going to go try out.

CHRIS “TROUZ” CUEVAS: I just remember him preparing for the audition, and me thinking it was probably a pretty weird match for Les, to actually be accepted in Metallica. Just because he was such a different person. I knew he could handle the playing, but I just felt that aesthetically, he would never make it.

LES CLAYPOOL: First of all, I had no idea how big they were. I just didn’t know the scene, so I had no clue. I knew they were touring the world, which was really cool. But I didn’t know how big they were. So I get there, and I’m met outside by some crew guy, and he’s like [adopts Secret Service Agent–type voice], “Okay. Don’t be nervous. You’re going to go in, you’re going to be in one room and they’re going to be in another room. Set up your stuff, get ready to play, and then they’ll come in . . .” All of a sudden I felt like I was getting ready to meet the Pope or something. I was like, What the fuck? I wasn’t nervous before, but now I’m nervous!
So I go in there, I’m doing my thing, and in comes James Hetfield. He’s wearing some camo fatigues or some shit. They come in, “Hey, how’s it going?” I could just tell right off the bat that James was not into me. I could feel it. I show up with this bass that looks like a hunk of driftwood, I’ve got baggy pants on and a floppy hat. I think they just kind of went through the motions with me. At that point, the Carl Thompson was the only bass I had. I didn’t have any money, so that bass was my darling. James picked it up and checked it out for a minute, tripping off the whammy bar. I was hoping I could play “The Thing That Should Not Be” with them, so I could show them my whammy technique.

KIRK HAMMETT: I always knew that he was more than capable of doing it. At the time, I was pretty much trying to . . . We were desperate and we were flying people in from all over the place. I was just trying to think about who played bass that was local, that had the ability. So I asked Les to come down and play.

LES CLAYPOOL: So when I learned “For Whom the Bell Tolls,” I didn’t know that was bass at the beginning—I thought it was guitar. So they were like, “Okay, we’re going to play ‘Bell’.” And I remember when Kirk had given me the list of songs to learn, they were all abbreviated, so I was like, “Well, what song is that?” And then he would tell me the whole name. So that’s how out of it I was on the Metallica front. “Okay, we’re going to play ‘Bell’.” They’re looking at me, and James kind of smiles, cracks up, and starts playing the bass part himself. I think that was the beginning of the end.

KIRK HAMMETT: That’s right! I remember looking at him and waving my hand, pointing to his bass. And he looked at me, like, What? At that point, the other guys didn’t really know who he was. And I remember having to say to him, “Man, that’s actually a bass part.” “Oh, okay!” And at one point, he starts thumping his bass—popping notes—and I remember thinking, Wow, that fucking sounds great. And I looked over at James, and he didn’t know what he was seeing. He’s like, “Whoa!” I think that’s another thing that might have intimidated James—maybe he was afraid that Les would bring that element to the sound of our band. But it was still a very decent audition. Don’t get me wrong, those guys were super friendly toward Les.

LES CLAYPOOL: And another thing too: I’m sitting there playing through Cliff’s old rig. And I could tell Kirk was all fucked up—I think they were drowning their sorrows in booze. I’m playing through his amp, and I’m looking over at Kirk, and he’s mouthing the words, You’re too loud! I was used to being the loud guy in the band. So I turned down, and we played the first song. After the first song, I said, “Man, that was loud!” Lars Ulrich was probably the most into me out of anybody. He was being very cool to me. But he’s like, “You’re not used to playing this kind of music, are you?” I put on my Cheech Marin voice, and I said, “No. Do you guys want to jam on some Isley Brothers?” Nobody laughed.

KIRK HAMMETT: He did really, really well. But I think part of the problem was he was wearing a beret. [Laughs] I don’t think James took to Les’s image. I think Les’s image was maybe a bit too left field for James. It had nothing to do with his abilities. It had everything to do with Les not really having a look that we needed. But it would have been interesting if he had actually joined the band. I mean, that would have been an interesting little hybrid.

LES CLAYPOOL: It was actually a newsboy cap, twenty years too early I guess. I remember after the audition, I followed Kirk out into the little waiting room, and I’m like, “Hey, man,” waiting for him to say, “Good job,” or anything. I could tell he was avoiding even looking me in the face. [Laughs] Like he didn’t want to tell me, “Dude . . . that fucking sucked.” [Laughs] I could just feel it. I didn’t fit. I still don’t fit. They’ve got the greatest guy they could get right now—Robert Trujillo is an amazing player and he’s the fucking nicest guy on the planet.

ROBERT TRUJILLO [Suicidal Tendencies bassist, Infectious Grooves bassist, Ozzy Osbourne bassist, Metallica bassist]: It’s hard for me to see [what Metallica would have sounded like with Les on bass], because I feel that Les is kind of a powerful personality in himself. He’s a leader. And Metallica, between James and Lars, there’s not a whole lot of room for extra leaders . . . especially these days. I don’t know. It would have been interesting. I think it’s great that Les has been able to carry on, waving his own banner and just taking on the challenges of what he’s been able to do.
It’s almost like, to me, Metallica is this beast that stays within itself, in a way. And I mean that in a positive way, it’s not a negative thing. And Les is somebody who really likes to collaborate. He’s his own guy, but he loves to collaborate and get into the mix with other musicians. Whether it’s someone like Bernie Worrell, Tom Waits, or Buckethead—he likes to get out there and get in different situations and be creative. It’s sort of a different form of energy.
But I think if, god willing, from Hetfield and Lars, if it would have happened, it would have been incredible, anyway. It would have been a bit more progressive and maybe a little different than what had been going on. But I think it would have been quite the adventure. I would have loved to have seen it, for sure. Maybe it wasn’t the right time at that moment, because at that time, it’s almost like they stepped away from bass for a minute, with the . . . And Justice for All album. Metallica sort of detoured from it for a minute. They were still kind of healing from the whole experience with Cliff.

LES CLAYPOOL: I was such a fish out of water for it, I was listening to, like, Fishbone back then. So to play the Metallica audition . . . there’s a reason why I didn’t get the gig. They say on VH1 that I was “too good.” Well, that’s not the case at all. I didn’t fit. I had baggy skater pants on, with two different-colored tennis shoes, and a weird blond Mohawk. And I was smacking my bass with my thumb. Going to the audition to do the Metallica thing, Kirk was telling me on the phone, “I’ve got to tell you, one thing you might not want to do is don’t use your thumb.” And I had already figured out “Master of Puppets,” how to do it all peck-it-a, peck-it-a, peck-it-a. After I did the audition, I was like, Wow, this music is pretty cool, because I had gotten into listening to all those records, having to learn the parts.

KIRK HAMMETT: I don’t think that it was [recorded], because we had such a high turnover. On the first day, we tried out, like, fifteen people. They’d come in, they’d play the song. If they were good, we’d play two or three songs with them. But if they weren’t very good, we would set our instruments down and walk out of the room, and someone would walk in and tell them, “Thank you for coming, but we’ll see you next time” sort of thing. No one really bothered with recording anything, because it was an audition, and like I said, it was a high turnover rate. We were only interested in recording people that made it to the final three. It was down to three different guys, and that’s when we decided to record the people who were playing with us.

LES CLAYPOOL: I didn’t get the gig.

KIRK HAMMETT: It just was one of those things that wasn’t meant to be.

LES CLAYPOOL: The thing that should not be? [Laughs]