Savatage : reformation

[Everflow]

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Sortie d'un best-of en mars, avec 3 nouvelles versions acoustiques ainsi que le DVD Japan Live 1994 :

earMUSIC/Edel Records has set a March 2 European release date for "Still The Orchestra Plays: Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2", the official anthology from the legendary U.S. metal act SAVATAGE. The collection contains remastered classics plus three new, previously unreleased acoustic recordings. The limited edition of the anthology comes with the complete "Japan Live" show from 1994, which appears here for the first time on DVD.

"Still The Orchestra Plays" will be followed by the re-release of SAVATAGE's complete catalog — remastered and featuring bonus tracks as well as newly recorded audio commentary.

"Still The Orchestra Plays: Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2" track listing:

CD1: Greatest Hits Vol.1:

01. Power Of The Night
02. Hall Of The Mountain King
03. 24 Hours Ago
04. Legions
05. Gutter Ballet
06. Summers Rain
07. When The Crowds Are Gone
08. Ghost In The Ruins
09. If I Go Away
10. NYC Don't Mean Nothing
11. Edge Of Thorns
12. All That I Bleed

CD2: Greatest Hits Vol.2:

01. Handful Of Rain
02. Chance
03. One Child
04. I Am
05. Anymore
06. Hourglass
07. The Wake Of Magellan
08. Morphine Child

Bonus tracks (recorded by Jon Oliva in 2009):

09. Anymore (acoustic)
10. Not What You See (acoustic)
11. Out On The Streets (acoustic)

DVD - "Japan Live 94":

01. Taunting Cobras
02. Edge Of Thorns
03. Chance
04. Conversation Piece
05. Nothing Going On
06. He Carves His Stone
07. Jesus Saves
08. Watching You Fall
09. Castles Burning
10. All That I Bleed
11. Stare Into The Sun
12. Damien
13. Handful Of Rain
14. Sirens
15. Gutter Ballet
16. Hall Of The Mountain King

[Bib]

Putain le DVD, c'est pas trop tôt !!!

[guardianofsteel]

Ouais clair!

Et le choix des chansons pour le best-of est pas dégueux non plus

[Talasquin]

PUTAIN DE RACOLAGE

Comme tous les mois, la newsletter Rock Hard atterrit dans ma boîte mail.

Je parcours distraitement, me disant que si quelquechose m'accroche dans le sommaire (et c'est de plus en plus rare) je passerai à la librairie du coin.

Et là, une bien belle accroche au milieu de la liste des interviewés : SAVATAGE / JON OLIVA'S PAIN

Annoncé comme ça, j'ajoute le confort de la lecture papier à mon besoin viscéral d'en savoir plus et au plus vite.

Et bien mal m'en a pris

Venons en au fait : il n'y aura pas de tournée, pas de reformation, plus rien sous le nom de Savatage. Oliva est très clair là-dessus et c'est définitif. Pour lui Savatage est mort avec Criss. Et je respecte ça, mais putain, quel dommage.

Maintenant nous aurons le TSO pour la frange mélodique/pop et JOP pour le côté metal.

Merci Rock Hard d'avoir balancé cet aiguillon à curiosité pour racoler les quelques fans qui voulaient encorre y croire et les doucher bien froid.

Bin ouais, Savatage c'est aujourd'hui un dernier best of puis rideau.

Still the orchestra plays qu'ils disaient ....

[Gandalf]

And the lights
Turn them off my friend
And the ghosts
Well just let them in
Cause in the dark
It's easier to see

[guardianofsteel]

Putain, mais putain quoi...

[Everflow]

Venons en au fait : il n'y aura pas de tournée, pas de reformation, plus rien sous le nom de Savatage. Oliva est très clair là-dessus et c'est définitif. Pour lui Savatage est mort avec Criss. Et je respecte ça, mais putain, quel dommage.

Il a quand même accompagné Savatage pendant de longues années après la disparition de son frère, bien avant de passer à son projet/groupe JOP. J'espère qu'il ne renie pas tous ces albums du Savatage des années 90 quand même.
Même si je respecte son avis et qu'il est le mieux placé pour savoir si Savatage doit continuer ou non, ça serait un peu triste de ne plus considérer certains de ses meilleurs albums comme faisant partie de l'histoire de Savatage.

[Talasquin]

Rien de tout ça. Et ça force un peu plus le gros repect que j'ai pour le bonhomme.

Il est le premier à reconnaître ce que les fans attendent et explique comment il équilibre les setlist de JOP : 40% de JOP et 60% de Savatage en tête d'affiche et set-list best of Savatage en fest où il joue autour de 50 minutes.

Après il a un discours très lucide sur les fans, leur intégrisme et ce qu'il estime leur devoir (pas grand chose au final). Il dit avoir composé lui même la liste de chansons pour le best of, manière de dire merci, au revoir et apprenez à tourner la page.

Alors je me le prendrai ce best of ne serait ce que pour la réédition du Japan Live '94 en vidéo, mais merde, on reverra jamais Jon et Zak sur une même scène

[painkillerqueen]

et il confirme à nouveau ici :
http://www.bravewords.com/news/138393

[guardianofsteel]

Merci de m'envoyer ce genre de message d'ailleurs! Si tu veux que je me suicide avant le week-end, dis le moi directement hein

[Everflow]

On dirait même que ça énerve Oliva que les fans évoquent encore le sujet, dans l'interview postée par painkillerqueen...

[painkillerqueen]

Merci de m'envoyer ce genre de message d'ailleurs! Si tu veux que je me suicide avant le week-end, dis le moi directement hein

c'est pas le but... mais de rien

les autres musiciens de Savatage doivent être aussi frustrés....

[Everflow]

Jon Oliva enfonce le clou dans cet article et interview :

By Carl Begai

Savatage is dead. Seriously.

The band’s music is alive and well thanks to the existence of Jon Oliva’s Pain, Circle II Circle and guitarist Chris Caffery’s solo career, but as a recording / touring entity Savatage will only ever exist from this point on as a pipe dream. For vocalist / founder Jon Oliva it’s an ongoing battle trying to convince the diehards that the band won’t be making a return in spite of the fact he’s released four albums with Jon Oliva’s Pain in six years. The release of a Savatage compilation entitled Still The Orchestra Plays, issued earlier this year, hasn’t helped matters. So it goes that as Oliva settles in to discuss his new JOP album, Festival, he’s forced yet again to snuff the rekindled rumours of an impending Savatage comeback.

“That compilation is something Paul (O’Neill / producer, Trans-Siberian Orchestra director) helped put together, I didn’t have much control over it,” says Oliva. “I just wanted to get something out there to kind of cap things off because I’ve moved on. Those reunion rumours… some people have been saying things they probably shouldn’t have. There was talk about doing a show to kind of give Savatage a send-off but the logistics of doing so just made it impossible. The guys have the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, I have my JOP stuff, there’s a lot of other things keeping us busy. It’s pretty aggravating, though, with people always asking about when it’s going to happen and pushing to have one. I mean, Savatage hasn’t done anything in almost 10 years! It’s just a small group of people, but they just won’t let it go and I can’t figure out why. You have the Savatage guys in the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, which was spawned from the Dead Winter Dead (1995) and Wake Of Magellan (1997) era of the band, you have Jon Oliva’s Pain doing a lot of the old Savatage material, what more do you want?”

“Don’t get me wrong. I love Savatage and it’ll always be dear to my heart because that was my start, man. I still play the songs, I love playing those songs, but I’ve got a whole new career now. I’m on my fourth record with JOP for crying out loud! It’s like, to the people that keep pushing for a Savatage reunion, just let it go. I’ve got the rights back for the Sirens and Dungeons albums, so I might do something with those in a few years, but JOP is my focus now and I’m hoping people will finally catch on that I have a new band (laughs).”

[Hellion]

Il enfonce aussi le clou ici. Assez intéressant.
Il parle aussi de la fameuse pétition évoquée en début de ce topic...

(By Mark Morton)

To me, Savatage was a launching point for the rest of our careers. We started with that name, and we worked it as long as we could. We stuck it out through thick and thin until the name itself was holding us back. It wasn’t because we got tired of the name and didn’t want to use it; society (America, mainly) just would not accept it. We were beating our heads against a wall.

We knew we had a #1 record, especially with “Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)” – we KNEW it was a #1 song! We released it as Savatage, giving it one last ditch effort, and we sent out 450 promotional discs to radio, and it got played on 25 radio stations. The next year, we changed the name, and sent the same song (we didn’t change it, remix it, or anything – just changed the cover – called it Trans-Siberian Orchestra and slapped a Christmas tree on it) to the exact same radio stations we sent it to the year before (where most of them previously said, “We listened to the track, and we don’t program this kind of music. Heavy metal is dead,” “This is a heavy metal band from the 80s; we don’t play that stuff!”). It went straight to #1 on every one of those stations and then #1 in the country!

And that tells me that they didn’t even listen to it the year before. They looked at the cover; it said “Savatage, from the album Dead Winter Dead,” and they threw it in the waste paper basket. And that’s what we were getting for years and years. It was frustrating; we were doing all this work, sacrificing all this time, putting all this effort and money (even money out of our own pockets) to do these albums, and we were just getting ignored by everybody, because of the name.

And whether Savatage fans want to accept that or not, I don’t know what to tell them. I say the same thing, “where were you guys in 1995/96 when I needed records bought to keep things going?” No one was around! I don’t have one gold Savatage record hanging on my wall. I’ve got five TSO platinum and gold albums!

Those guys keep saying, “we miss the name”. And most of them really don’t, because no one was there when we needed them to be there! You have your small group of 400-500 people who get on the Internet and start up all this commotion and all this crap.

few years ago, one of our guys (I don’t remember if it was Caffery or not) to prove a point after getting all these thousands of emails, put up a petition telling everyone to sign in if they want to see a Savatage reunion concert. Do you know how many names we got? 250 from around the world! There aren’t really a lot of Savatage fans out there, but the diehards are very good at making it seem like there are. If I had seen 2000 names on that petition, I would have done something. But after two months, to see only 250 names…I go over to the TSO page and see that we’ve got over 100,000 people on our fan club mailing list! And I still have people bitching at me about Savatage? I’m like, “whatever!” [Laughs]

[olivier64]

très lucide le bonhomme.

[Everflow]

Leur chanteur recruté pour la dernière tournée avant le split, Damond Jiniya, donne sa première interview dans laquelle il se montre assez dégoûté de la façon dont s'est finie l'aventure.

Thiago Sarkis of Brazil's Roadie Crew magazine recently conducted an interview with former SAVATAGE singer Damond Jiniya. During the chat — Damond's first official interview since his days with SAVATAGE — the vocalist talked about drug and alcohol abuse, his current status with the band, and what he has been doing for the past nine years. A few excerpts from the chat follow below.

On his upcoming autobiography:

Damond: "It's a very frank and honest biography. Life as I've known it hasn't always been ideal . . . I kept a very detailed diary of my time with [SAVATAGE] 2000-2003. I am cross-referencing those notes with things that have transpired in the last nine years. From residual drug and alcohol abuse to complete sobriety and marriage. The bio will run the gamut of all things dark and light."

On his status as a member of SAVATAGE:

Damond: "It was a relief when SAVATAGE ended. That train was spiraling into oblivion. Unfortunately, the fans were the casualty. Jon [Oliva, SAVATAGE mastermind] and Paul's [O'Neill, producer/composer] withdrawal from the friendship they worked so hard to solidify with me hurts the most. Paul and Jon assured all was well until 2009. Now nothing. It's not easy to trust people especially in the [music business]. They said a lot of things to break through and then left me in the cold."

On his reaction when he read interviews saying he was out of the band or that SAVATAGE was no more:

Damond: "I contacted Paul and the office (Nightcastle Management) immediately after reading the interview. I was belittled by the office clerk and told to move past it. I was later told by 'insiders' that they were stringing me along to thwart any bad press during a time when [the yuletide franchise] TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA [founded by Oliva and O'Neill] was blooming. By 2009 TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA had reached a level where my experiences wouldn't matter to anyone in the press. I was never told anything solid from SAVATAGE/TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA. That was something I was told later by someone who worked for them. I never considered giving my story to anyone although I've been hounded over the years. I truly did 'believe'."

On whether he is officially out of SAVATAGE and whether he would continue with the band if asked:

Damond: "I have never 'officially' been let go. Jon denied the interview when we spoke in 2009. He said that he was misquoted. That was our last conversation. I can only hang on so long — nine years, to be exact. If they wanted me now, I would politely decline. Writing is my passion now. Besides… Jon is SAVATAGE."

On his personal and financial situation:

Damond: "Personally, my life has improved greatly. I picked up some horrible habits after meeting Jon. Coupled with depression due to idle time, it took me many years to overcome the [SAVATAGE] demons. I met the love of my life in 2006. We married in 2008. I have been sober and wildly inspired for four years now. I believe that I wouldn't have reached this plateau in SAVATAGE. Financially, it has been tough since the downturn in 2009. I have had to completely change my approach to making a living."

On auditioning for INXS as part of the reality-TV show "Rock Star: INXS":

Damond: "I auditioned in Nashville, made the final 20 and was flown to Santa Monica. Upon arrival, they sequestered, poked and prodded me. For two weeks I was forbidden to talk to any of the other finalists. I was made to stay in my room only to come down to eat and get random blood tests. I finally auditioned for the 'guys' in INXS in a conference room in the hotel. I sang 'Unchained Melody', 'Crazy Train' and 'Sympathy For The Devil'. I had decided this gig was not for me, so I did an especially 'dark' rendition of 'Sympathy'. I was flown back home the next day. The assistant that I was working with called me and said that I was the 'guys' thought I was 'too spooky,' but that I would be perfect for their next farce SUPERNOVA! I politely declined."

On what SAVATAGE's plans were at the end of his tenure with the band and whether he ever recorded any new songs with SAVATAGE:

Damond: "The plans were to record and continue touring. Initially I'd work on three albums with them. At least that's what the contracts said. I stopped signing them in 2007. I expected nothing from them, I got nothing. I was brought in to record a couple of 'lemons,' but clearly the TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA material was taking precedence. The real [SAVATAGE] material is in JON OLIVA'S PAIN."

On his SAVATAGE audition:

Damond: " 'Edge Of Thorns'. The audition was a farce. I didn't expect that they would hire me. I had 24 hours to prepare. Other than the stuff Punchy [producer Juan Gonzalez] would play on tour, I knew nothing. It was a marriage of convenience. [SAVATAGE manager] David Krebs said I was 'the one' after going out to a bar later that night, Chris [Caffery, guitar] said they hired me because I ordered a 'Long Island.' I should have known then."

On his contact with SAVATAGE fans:

Damond: "I still get a lot of love from cool people worldwide. I feel bad because I won't speak about SAVATAGE other than to say I don't know. These people love this band. I don't want to be the one to tell them that [SAVATAGE] doesn't seem to care other than to push TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA at them. This is the first time I have been candid about any of it."

[Everflow]

Une interview assez complète de Chris Caffery concernant surtout Savatage :

http://www.legendaryrockinterviews.com/ ... -savatage/

[guardianofsteel]

Caffery parle de l'après Wacken 2015 :

Classic American metal band SAVATAGE, which was active from 1978 until 2002, will reunite for an exclusive European appearance at next year's edition of the Wacken Open Air festival, set to take place July 30 - August 1, 2015 in Wacken, Germany.

Asked in a brand new interview with Vanyaland if SAVATAGE has any plans for beyond Wacken for either live shows or new material, SAVATAGE guitarist Chris Caffery said: "I'm gonna put it this way: for 12 years, 13 years, I've been waiting for my band to play again. We're playing again. I don't know what's going to happen after that [laughs], but there were people that were putting a fork in it, and we're getting up and not just running a marathon, were running in the Olympics with this festival being what it is. I'm not going to make any predictions, but let's just say there's a possibility that something more will happen after Wacken — that's all I can say. And nothing would make me happier."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/chris- ... 8jvhtgy.99

[NicoGan]

Savatage au Hellfest en 2016

[Julien06]

Ça serait tout simplement génial. Croisons les doigts pour que le concert de wacken se passe bien et leur donne envie de remettre ça pour plus de dates

[Everflow]

Jon Oliva affirme qu'il se prépare physiquement pour ce concert, en effet il a commencé à perdre (enfin) du poids ces derniers mois, et en lisant entre les lignes on sent qu'il aimerait déjà que ça aille au-delà (même si ça ne dépend pas de lui) :

Classic American metal band SAVATAGE, which was active from 1978 until 2002, will reunite for an exclusive European appearance at next year's edition of the Wacken Open Air festival, set to take place July 30 - August 1, 2015 in Wacken, Germany.

Asked in a brand new interview with Miriam "NocturnalConcerto" of Femme Metal Webzine if SAVATAGE has any plans for beyond Wacken for either live shows or new material, SAVATAGE mastermind Jon Oliva said: "As far as that goes, the whole Wacken thing came up, and I was, like, you know what? If we're going to do anything, we have to do it now. I don't want to do it when I'm 60 years old. I mentioned that to [TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA producer/composer] Paul [O'Neill]. He said to me, 'We're going to do the Wacken thing, but let's just wait until the [TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA] winter tour is over and then you and me we're going to sit down in January and discuss what we're going to do.'"

He continued: "We've already gotten offers to do it in certain areas of the world, America being one, Greece, South America, places like that. We have to see how we're going to do this. It's something that Paul and I, honestly — and I'm telling you totally honestly — we just brushed over what we thought we might want to do and we said, with all the chaos of getting the winter tour out, we said, let's just wait until after the tour is over and then we'll figure this whole thing out. We know we're going to start with 'Gutter Ballet'; that's all we agreed on. [Laughs] [TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA] is going to come out first for, I think, 40 or 50 minutes doing the big-production numbers, then Paul is going to bring me out and we're going to do the SAVATAGE thing and we're going to start with 'Gutter Ballet' and that's where we ended the conversation and said, we'll pick this up on January 10th and we'll figure out what we're going to do as far as other shows go and everything like that. As of right now, Wacken is the only place, but I'm sure once everything works out and we see what happens, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of there being a couple more on top of that. I think we're going to do a press release in maybe February or March about what's going on and stuff like that."

Oliva added: "I think it's cool that we're doing it. I'm very excited about it.

"I've been on this health kick now for the last six months. I've dropped a bunch of weight and I'm feeling a lot better. I've still got a ways to go, but it gives me something. I'm, like, yeah, I'm going to get in shape for this and knock people out."

Oliva also spoke about the current status of his project JON OLIVA'S PAIN. He said: "I've got an album that is about 95 percent written and demoed up. I finished the demos right before I went to Omaha in October, and I'm going to start up again with that probably right after Christmas and finish the record. I purposely am taking my time with this, because it's a very heavy record. It's very heavy; I want it to be that way. I want to just make sure that every song is a 10; I don't want any filler songs on there. I have about 30 tracks and I've got to condense some things down. I got plenty of great material for it and I've got most of it demoed up and I'm ready to cut basic tracks once I can narrow down those 30 songs into 12 or 13. I figure that should be out in late spring, maybe early summer."

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jon-ol ... zTGM5rV.99

[senez62]

Je dois être le seul à la penser mais si il reforme Savatage et que c est pas zach Stevens qui chante , l intérêt est faible car en solo Oliva a fait du savatage ( de très bon album) et vraiment Zack a toujours cette voix si agréable .Ce n'est que mon avis mais on en parle jamais de lui dans cette reformation, pourtant perso , j aime les cd de Savatage ou il chante et je me rappelle d un concert sur la tournée dead winter dead à Pau ( je crois) il était magique.je suis le seul à penser ça?.

[Mordor]

Je dois être le seul à la penser mais si il reforme Savatage et que c est pas zach Stevens qui chante , l intérêt est faible car en solo Oliva a fait du savatage ( de très bon album) et vraiment Zack a toujours cette voix si agréable .Ce n'est que mon avis mais on en parle jamais de lui dans cette reformation, pourtant perso , j aime les cd de Savatage ou il chante et je me rappelle d un concert sur la tournée dead winter dead à Pau ( je crois) il était magique.je suis le seul à penser ça?.

oui , pour moi Savatage, c'est les frères "Oliva" sinon, ce n'est plus "Savatage" mais un autre groupe.

[Yathin Lizzy]

Je dois être le seul à la penser mais si il reforme Savatage et que c est pas zach Stevens qui chante , l intérêt est faible car en solo Oliva a fait du savatage ( de très bon album) et vraiment Zack a toujours cette voix si agréable .Ce n'est que mon avis mais on en parle jamais de lui dans cette reformation, pourtant perso , j aime les cd de Savatage ou il chante et je me rappelle d un concert sur la tournée dead winter dead à Pau ( je crois) il était magique.je suis le seul à penser ça?.

Non tu n es pas le seul. D autant que j'ai découvert le groupe avec dead winter dead

[Gandalf]

Je dois être le seul à la penser mais si il reforme Savatage et que c est pas zach Stevens qui chante , l intérêt est faible car en solo Oliva a fait du savatage ( de très bon album) et vraiment Zack a toujours cette voix si agréable .Ce n'est que mon avis mais on en parle jamais de lui dans cette reformation, pourtant perso , j aime les cd de Savatage ou il chante et je me rappelle d un concert sur la tournée dead winter dead à Pau ( je crois) il était magique.je suis le seul à penser ça?.

Oui et non.
La reformation, si elle a lieu, DOIT se faire avec Oliva au chant. Parce que c'est l'ame de Savatage, et qu'avec Caffery c'est magique.
Cependant, contrairement à ce que dit Mordor, Savatage ce sont les Oliva, mais aussi Middleton et Plate. Ainsi que Stevens, parce que même s'il etait au chant, derriere c'est Oliva qui composait tout ou presque. Et que depuis la mort de Criss, il y a eu plusieurs albums excellents, que Stevens n'a jamais démérité, loin de là, qu'il s'est investit pendant des années, et que les fans l'ont largement accepté.
Personnellement je trouve les albums avec Stevens vraiment excellents, mon préféré restant "HoR" evidemment.

Apres, comme pour AC/DC avec Bon Scott, il y aura toujours des fans pour dire qu'apres la mort d'un membre emblematique, le groupe n'existe plus après. C'est leur choix, mais pas necessairement partagé par tous les fans.

Et pourquoi pas réunir Oliva et Stevens comme cela a déjà été fait par le passé ? Moi ça m'irait très bien !

[Yathin Lizzy]

En fait il n y a que sur la tournée edge of thorns que jon oliva n était pas sur scène.