Peut-être (sûrement?) que Schaffer ne lui a pas laissé trop de liberté sur la manière de placer son chant sur le dernier IE. Vu le bonhomme ça m'étonnerait pas trop.
Ripper est capable de grandes choses vocalement, mais malheureusement ça ne suffit pas à en faire un bon chanteur. Prendre la scène pour un ring et ne rien échanger avec son public, ça ne peut pas coller.
Ce que je préfère de lui c'est le double live "Meltdown" qu'il a fait avec Priest : une putain de patate ce double CD Je le préfère largement à ses prestations filmées. Au moins là l'échange est uniquement sonore, et ça dépote sévère
Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die
Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high
bruce bruce a écrit :Peut-être (sûrement?) que Schaffer ne lui a pas laissé trop de liberté sur la manière de placer son chant sur le dernier IE. Vu le bonhomme ça m'étonnerait pas trop.
Tu crois??? pas sur pas sur... pas pour moi en tout cas, m'est avis que Ripper manque sérieusement d'inspiration voire même tout court de talent pour composer des lignes de chant, qu'il a été bien dirigé dans Judas, mais que Schaffer est loin d'avoir aussi ce talent et que du coup ca s'en ressent.
C'est bien dommage, un groupe en passe de pénétrer dans la première zone, et risque de repartir en troisième
OK avec toi Chacal. Ripper n'est probablement pas un compositeur né, plutôt une "voix" qu'on exploite. Priest a su le faire à peu près (mouais, encore que les compos de l'époque sont plutôt ), Schaffer pas vraiment.
Ca ne m'empêche pas de penser que Schaffer est de plus en plus obtu et dirigiste et, comme tu dis, chute lentement mais sûrement vers l'anonymat.
On verra ce que ça donnera avec cette reformation "Oooh quelle surprise!" avec Barlow...
Enfin bref, ce que je voulais dire au départ, c'est qu'une voix mal exploitée, aussi bonne fusse-t-elle, ça donne rien. C'est mon point
Run, live to fly, fly to live, do or die
Run, live to fly, fly to live, aces high
Ripper parle de son éviction dans une longue interview, pour ceux qui ont le courage de lire
Former JUDAS PRIEST singer Tim "Ripper" Owens gave a rambling interview to Eddie Trunk on last night's (Friday, January 11) edition of the "Friday Night Rocks" radio show on New York City's Q104.3 FM in which he discussed his split with ICED EARTH and his future plans. A few excerpts from the chat follow (edited by BLABBERMOUTH.NET for clarity).
On the split with ICED EARTH:
"I think it was something that had to happen for both sides. It [was] not [amicable] at all. To tell you the truth, you don't get fired two weeks before Christmas and told ten minutes…
"I completed the [HEAVEN AND HELL] tour [with ICED EARTH] and was getting ready to work on [ICED EARTH's forthcoming album 'Something Wicked Part II']. I was actually supposed to be in my car and leaving that night [from Tim's home in Ohio] and decided, since I didn't hear from Jon [Schaffer, ICED EARTH mainman], I would wait until the morning to leave to go his house [in Indiana] and work on it. And the time I was supposed to be already gone, I just happened to go on my computer to see if Jon e-mailed me about what time he wants me there tomorrow is when I got the e-mail saying I wasn't in the band. And that was at 5:30. 5:40 — it was like 5:42 or 5:43 — I got my first e-mail from somebody, and then my first call came in at 5:45, saying, 'Man, I just heard.' [Laughs] My oldest daughter said to me, 'Man, what [would have happened] if you weren't home? That would have really sucked.' So the whole thing, really, was not handled in the way that I think
it should have been. It's an unfortunate situation and an unfortunate ending.
"I had a nice ending with PRIEST — they made sure that, financially, I was handled for the next while to make sure that I got on my feet. Things were handled right and in a professional way. And I think the worst thing [about getting fired from ICED EARTH] was, [which] bummed me out, it was [two weeks] before Christmas. Now, I agree with the decision — I needed to go. I mean, I've gotta be honest.
"I'm trying to get back on my feet to get going, but I've gotten so many offers, it's unbelievable, and some great ones. And obviously BEYOND FEAR [Owens' solo project, which released its self-titled debut album in 2006], SPV [the record label] is so excited about it, we already have a gameplan on that, Wendy Dio [Ronnie James Dio's wife/manager] is still managing me.
"You know, it's [the split with ICED EARTH] something that had to happen, and I don't disagree with that."
"I think each one of us [Jon and I] had different ideas. I think the main idea was that I wanted to write and I wasn't able to, but in Jon's mind he did give me an opportunity to. But you know what?! I've gotta be honest… it all was good and it just didn't work out.
"I have nothing bad to say about Jon and I do wish him luck and everything. I really wanna do BEYOND FEAR and I have other opportunities that are better for me at this time, anyways. The unfortunate thing is I've been offered a few things in the past few years that I've turned down that were pretty good things, and I've turned it down, and looking back, I wish I would have probably taken them. But it was a good ride, and it was a good thing. It taught me that it's not always what you think it is in the business.
"Every step I've made in my career I've learned — everybody learns. I've always said I wanted to become a better singer and a better frontman and I've learned from this experience that you continually try to become that.
"The PRIEST thing was a great experience for me and I love to talk about it because it ended so well.
"I saw Glenn [Tipton] and Ken [Downing] — they came out to the Birmingham show when we played and they came back. It was a blast talking to them, and they are just so fun. Glenn and Ken and Jon and I sat in the dressing room, and we just had a great chat. It was fun. I've always enjoyed talking to those guys, and they were always really genuine with me, and 'till the very end, they were pretty genuine with me. I mean, the business end talks — there's no doubt about it — and it's the same thing that happened with ICED EARTH. The first person that's gonna get blamed is the new person, whether it's something else that could be an issue. But, really, that's what happened, and I know that, for me, publishing is a big thing, and I'm not getting it with that.
"It really got worse for me after I did BEYOND FEAR, because BEYOND FEAR was actually one of the better-reviewed CDs across the board that I've done. It might not have [gotten] as many 10s as maybe [ICED EARTH's] 'The Glorious Burden' did, but it definitely didn't [get] as many 2s and 3s as 'The Glorious Burden' did either. So it was one of the best-reviewed CDs I've ever done, and I wrote the whole album — I mean, half of it I wrote all by myself and the other half I wrote with John Comprix, the guitar player. So I think it got even worse then. But that is what it is. What's funny now is they have to get the old singer back although all Jon ever said in interviews… I think it's more of a… 'they need that, they need to get Matt [Barlow, ICED EARTH's singer who preceded and followed Tim in the band] back' and I agree — Matt's a great guy and a great singer. All Jon ever said was — and still will say it — is he writes all the stuff. 'I tell
Matt what to sing.' It's what he always said and it's what he did with me.
"If I went out and joined somebody like YNGWIE MALMSTEEN. Well, you know what you're getting into — you're not joining a band, you're just joining a project to jump in and sing with him real quick. It's a whole different experience. I thought I was getting into a band and I was promised different things, and it all worked out until now. And I think everybody does know that it's the Jon Schaffer thing. It's a revolving door with everybody, and that's a cool thing, and Jon has built this thing from the ground up."
"You have to remember something, and the same thing happened to me when I got in JUDAS PRIEST — the band changed their style a little bit, and I love the change, but all of a sudden there's violins and 1,800-choir-piece singing on. You know, that wasn't going on in the past. The albums I did were a big change. On the new record you've got bongos and wool instruments. It seems like when I get in bands, they change a little bit. But you know the pressure of getting ICED EARTH was nothing like JUDAS PRIEST. To me, they're both major, major bands, but when you compare them, it's like comparing a triple-A ballclub to Major League baseball. And that's not a [knock on ICED EARTH] because every great baseball player has played in the triple-A."
"Jon and I always got along so well — our press trips and while we were together — so that was always a fun thing. We always got along well in the studio. It was a learning experience probably for both of us. It was more of a learning experience for me, I know, because obviously Jon's pretty used to getting rid of people and getting new members, so it's not really much of a difference for him. My bass player [BEYOND FEAR's Dennis Hayes, who was fired from ICED EARTH at the same time as Tim] found out because he looked on the web site and his name was gone. [Laughs]
"I felt like I was going nowhere. It was the same thing in PRIEST — 'Man, I wanna write, I wanna do stuff. I'm getting all these offers for BEYOND FEAR to do these tours and these shows and I can't get them out there. I've gotta turn everything down. Damn, I just wanna get out there and do other things, I wanna write and do stuff.' I got my wish… [Laughs] … just in an unprofessional way. I know if I ever would have left, I would have given notice — I would have done an album and given notice.
"It's funny how things work out. I remember Jon always complaining how Richard Christy [former ICED EARTH drummer who quit the band in order to work for 'The Howard Stern Show'] left in the middle of a tour — he said, 'I'm gonna end up leaving' — and [Jon] said it was unprofessional. And I think to myself, I got fired two weeks before Christmas, which was kind of strange. But it makes you a better person.
"I have good memories of ICED EARTH and it was a good opportunity for me."
Franky a écrit :j'ai voté pour toi, car en plus d'être un crétin (comme Gasp), tu es malfaisant.
Aucun rapport avec la musique du combo, mais à propos du gratteux de IE...
Esteban Parra of The News Journal reports that former ICED EARTH guitarist Ernie Carletti (mug shot, promotional photo) declined to show remorse this morning before being sentenced to 33 years in prison for kidnapping, raping and torturing a University of Delaware student in 2003.
"I feel, your honor, that anything I say is not going to be able to contribute," 32-year-old Carletti told Superior Court Judge Jan R. Jurden after she gave him a final opportunity to speak. Carletti mumbled some other words, which could not be understood.
The victim, a former University of Delaware student, testified in November that a stranger forced her into his car at gunpoint as she waited for a ride at the Burger King parking lot on South Chapel Street in Newark on May 22, 2003. He handcuffed, shackled and blindfolded her as he drove to his home in Elkton, Md., she said, then took her into his house and raped her.
The victim testified Carletti ordered her to call him "master," and she heard him playing with chains. He then put a gag in her mouth, wrapped a chain around her neck and shackled limbs and began lifting her off the table, she said.
After she nearly passed out, the woman said, the stranger returned her to the car and drove her back to Newark. On the way, she said, the stranger replaced the handcuffs with duct tape, apologized to her and told her not to tell anyone.
He then slowed the car and pushed her out, leaving her hogtied and blindfolded on West Main Street.
Carletti admitted at trial to abducting and shackling the woman, as well as taking her to his home, where he hogtied her.
But he insisted that he did not rape her, and continues to maintain his innocence on that charge.
"It was disappointing that he was not remorseful and did not, at least, apologize to the victim," prosecutor Donald R. Roberts said after the sentencing hearing.
When first interviewed by police, Carletti said he did not kidnap the woman. He later admitted to doing so when investigators found his fingerprints on duct tape recovered from the abduction.
Carletti, a guitarist who played with the bands NAUGHTY NAUGHTY and ICED EARTH, was charged last year in another sexual assault that occurred when he was in high school. That case will not be prosecuted.
Even though Roberts asked the judge for a life-in-prison term, he said the state and family were pleased with the sentence.
"The defendant will be, at a minimum, 64 years old when he gets out of jail," he said.
Watch Ernie Carletti performing a guitar solo:
GANDALF
"Seize the day or die regretting the time you lost
It's empty and cold without you here, too many people to ache over"
Jeff Waters qui s'exprime sur l'éviction de Ripper, en bon spécialiste du remerciement de zicos qu'il est
About.com: What do you think about ICED EARTH bringing back Matt Barlow and replacing Ripper Owens?
Jeff Waters: It's good and bad. It's good for Jon (Schaffer). I know where Jon's coming from, because sometimes you have to make decisions where half the people think it's a great thing and half the people don't. But there is a lot of stuff behind the scenes that you don't know go on, and Jon has to make decisions. I was very close to those guys on the ICED EARTH tour. We were all friends and hanging out for over a month. Everybody got along. Jon and Ripper were best of buddies. There was no negativity at all. It was actually one of the best tours I've ever done for getting along with the other band. It was a really close, cool tour and they are all nice guys. It's sad to see a great singer like Tim leave that gig. But at the same time Jon feels it's going to put some extra life in the band, a kickstart. It's cool to see Matt come back, too. I hope Ripper does some really good things, because he has one of the best voices in metal.
Franky a écrit :j'ai voté pour toi, car en plus d'être un crétin (comme Gasp), tu es malfaisant.
Gandalf a écrit :
Esteban Parra of The News Journal reports that former ICED EARTH guitarist Ernie Carletti (mug shot, promotional photo) declined to show remorse this morning before being sentenced to 33 years in prison for kidnapping, raping and torturing a University of Delaware student in 2003.
C'est un peu nimp de préciser que c'est un ex-Iced Earth : d'après ce que j'ai trouvé sur le net, il a joué seulement quelques concerts en 2006, pour dépanner.
Puisque t'en parles, Padden a vachement progressé je trouve.
Il chante beaucoup moins hardcore, ça convient plus au groupe. Du coup je recommence à attendre la prochaine occasion de les voir sur un vrai concert, alors que je m'étais un peu désintéressé des derniers trucs (trop néo-hardcore pour moi).
Jamais vu Super Tomat... euh Comeau sur scène, donc je peux pas juger, mais son chant allait bien au groupe oué... Après le reste du line up était excellent c'est clair.
Mais bon encore une fois, même si c'est pas le topic, on est d'accord, Padden assure mieux, pis il est bon gratteux pour compléter Waters, les plans d'Annihilator sont cotons à jouer.
Chacal a écrit :
euh Comeau sur scène, donc je peux pas juger, mais son chant allait bien au groupe oué... Après le reste du line up était excellent c'est clair.
En concert, c'était une des plus grosses boucheries que j'ai jamais vues. Le concert m'a vraiment marqué, il restera dans mes grands souvenirs. Entre Waters qui brûlait la scène, Comeau le monstre et la setlist géniale (Carnival Diablos - Waking the fury + les classiques) ça arrachait la tapisserie.
Super Tomate est pas très beau :p , mais sur scène il était bien massif et suintait l'agressivité (en plus de déchirer vocalement), ça collait parfaitement.
Chacal a écrit :
Mais bon encore une fois, même si c'est pas le topic, on est d'accord, Padden assure mieux, pis il est bon gratteux pour compléter Waters, les plans d'Annihilator sont cotons à jouer.
Oui il m'a bien troué le cul pour ça. Souvent, quand le chanteur prend la gratte, c'est pour faire trois accords en support ou être mignon avec sa jolie gratte sur son tabouret.
Une guitare de chanteur, c'est une espèce de tambourin à cordes.
Mais là... le mec qui étale des plans que la plupart des gratteux sont incapables de jouer. "Ouais, moi en fait je suis le chanteur, la guitare c'est pour dépanner".
Ganash a écrit :Joe Comeau et Carnival Diablo ... 'tain
Pour moi le meilleur chanteur de Annihilator ca restera Aaron Randall
Tout pareil. Et sans rigoler en plus !
Sinon pour en revenir à IE :
ICED EARTH is seeking a deeply passionate and motivated bass guitarist to complete the band's touring lineup for the 2008 tour season. If you have the chops to join Jon Schaffer and Brent Smedley in metal's most bulletproof rhythm section, read on.
Applicants MUST possess the following:
1. A demonstrated ability to play with impeccable timing and accuracy.
2. A commanding stage presence that bleeds intensity, aggression, and emotion.
3. Confidence in themselves but also a willingness to be a team player.
4. Proficiency in finger-style playing with some picking experience.
5. Residency in the United States (Midwest residence is a bonus, but not required).
6. A familiarity with the ICED EARTH catalog.
7. A flexible work schedule, as this is not an offer for a full-time band position. However, should you land the gig and exceed our expectations in 2008, an opportunity for further collaboration on tour and in the studio will certainly be considered.
Applicants should submit the following:
1. A demo video on DVD is preferred, but an audio CD or cassette tape of your performance is also acceptable.
2. A photo of yourself if you do not submit a demo in video format.
3. A brief biography outlining your experience and gear setup.
4. Contact address, e-mail address, and phone number should we wish to interview you further.
ICED EARTH writes in a press release, "Before we outline the format of your demo submission, know that, we ARE NOT INTERESTED in listening to a fully produced recording. DO NOT send us ONLY a finished CD release from any band that you have played with. We cannot judge your level of timing and accuracy if you send us a recording that's been mixed and produced. A simple LIVE home video or audio recording on a CD/cassette tape that documents your playing is all we need to know if you possess the finely-tuned skills we require. This, in addition to any recording of a live performance will be a plus in telling us what we need to know."
The following is what is required for further consideration:
1. A recording of you sitting down by yourself and playing LIVE along to a click-track.
2. Playing a minimum of four songs of varying tempos from ICED EARTH or a combination of songs from ICED EARTH and legendary bands such as IRON MAIDEN, BLACK SABBATH or RUSH. Pick well-known songs with challenging bass lines.
Please send your bio and demo materials in video or audio format to:
Spirit of 76 Collectibles
1728 17th Street
Columbus, Indiana
47201
ICED EARTH's official web site, IcedEarth.com, posted a 36-minute audio interview it conducted with Jon Schaffer on January 15, 2008. The interview can be downloaded and/or heard at this location.
To download the interview, use your mouse to right-click on the link above, and then select, "Download Linked File." The download is 41.2 MB.
Topics covered in the interview include tour and release plans for 2008, longtime frontman Matt Barlow's return to the band, the band's first gig at ProgPower USA on September 27, 2008, and the impact of family and other peronal committments on ICED EARTH's stategy for the future.
ICED EARTH mainman/guitarist Jon Schaffer issued a press release last month (Statement#1, Statement#2) announcing that the band was parting ways with vocalist Tim "Ripper" Owens (BEYOND FEAR, ex-ICED EARTH, JUDAS PRIEST) and was once again working with Tim's predecessor, Matt Barlow, who originally left ICED EARTH in 2003.
ICED EARTH performing at Wacken Open Air festival in 2007:
GANDALF
"Seize the day or die regretting the time you lost
It's empty and cold without you here, too many people to ache over"
Et hop, après avoir sorti le superbe coffret The Gathering - Sand And Mercury, Century Media récidive le 22 février avec Iced Earth - Slave To The Dark :
Le contenu :
* Iced Earth (1990)
* Night of the Stormrider (1991)
* Burnt Offerings (1995)
* The Dark Saga (1996)
* Days of Purgatory (1997)
* Something Wicked This Way Comes (1998)
* Alive in Athens (Live) (1999)
* Melancholy (2001)
* Horror Show (2001)
* Dark Genesis (2001)
* Tribute to the Gods (2002)
* The Blessed and the Damned (Best Of) (2004)
* Alive in Athens (DVD) (2006)
82 euros quand même
Modifié en dernier par Gh0sT le 10 févr. 2008, 10:50, modifié 1 fois.
Sur la FNAC, il est proposé en précommande à 96€ et sur Amazon à 82€. Les prix ne sont pas définitifs mais à mon avis, il ne faut pas s'attendre à ce que le prix descende à moins de 50€.
"Ma mère ?! Vous voulez dire que j’aurais un ticket avec ma mère ?! Oh, dur, c’est pas le pied !
- Encore ? Mais qu'est-ce que c’est que ces histoires de pieds ? Les pieds seraient-ils le point sensible des hommes du futur ? C’est peut-être dû à un accroissement de l'apesanteur...
- Quoi ???"
), Schaffer pas vraiment.
