Black Sabbath : la fin

[Bib]

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Mouais, comme d'hab... Que font les 2 autres à ne pas le suivre dans ce cas ???

[olivier64]

C'est un poisson d'avril ? Si c'est pasle cas, j'espère qu'il n'y aura jamais d'album studio si c'est pour faire de la soupe ...

[the fab]

C'est pas un poisson d'avril ça, tellement ça paraît ENORME ?????

Si c'est pas le cas, on touche le fond.

[SophiePetoncule]

On y apprend outre le fait que la tournée à failli se faire avec Joey Jordisson derrière les fûts

Et il aurait gardé son masque ou pas ?

[guardianofsteel]

C'est un truc qui date de plus d'un mois apparemment.

[Everflow]

Même si une partie du communiqué est peut-être plausible, ça reste un fake.

[guardianofsteel]

Ca me rassure quand même

[Everflow]

Bill Ward confirme qu'il ne jouera pas avec Black Sabbath sur scène, c'est foutu.
Les histoires de contrats, managers, avocats, n'ont pas pu être réglées. Le mois dernier, on lui a proposé de ne jouer que 3 morceaux au concert du Download...
De plus, il a appris par hasard sur Internet que le groupe avait réservé une date à Birmingham, leur ville d'origine! Sans lui donc. Belle ambiance.

"Dear SABBATH fans and fellow musicians,

"I sincerely regret to inform you that after a final effort to participate in the upcoming SABBATH shows, a failure to agree has continued. At this time I have to inform you that I won't be playing with BLACK SABBATH at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at [U.K.'s] Download [festival] on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza [festival] on August 3, 2012.

"It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I'm very, very sorry that it's fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.

"To express my thoughts about you, the SABBATH fans, I'm going to speak to you all through an experience my brother James had recently. My brother Jimmy lives in the U.K. When speaking with him a couple of days ago, he told me that an acquaintance had stopped him on the street and confronted him, 'Is your brother playing Birmingham? What's going on? I waited in line with my son and paid X amount for the concert tickets.'

"The man's son is a young drummer. He's going to see SABBATH, and he wants to see Bill Ward play drums.

"Upon hearing this news, I felt horrible. I couldn't help feeling some resentment towards the failure to reach an agreement, the failure to remember where we came from, the failure to be as brothers, as we once were.

"To be clear, I'm not blaming the other guys or finding any faults with them. I would think it can't be easy for them either, but this situation is just really sad. It's sad that it's come to this. 'This' will surely leave a mark and be unwelcome to the memory. Hopefully 'this' will heal and pass in time.

"My heart sank when Jimmy told me about this young boy. I know this boy is going to be disappointed, and I don't know how to amend it, other than to put my arms around the boy and tell him I love him.

"SABBATH fans have a voice and a face. To me you're human, you have families and despair. You have ferocity and emotions and graciousness, and at this moment, as far as I'm concerned, you are also that young boy in England. I don't know how to amend my part in these failings other than to put my arms around you and say I love you and let you know I'm very, very sorry.

"Throughout this process, which began over a year ago, I have had to stand up for myself time and time again. I have had to stand up for myself and in doing so realize my actions indirectly, although unintentionally, are upsetting and hurting a lot of you. I know in my heart I couldn't have done these concerts by agreeing the terms suggested. I made a solemn vow after the last European and Ozzfest concerts that I would never again enter into what was, in my opinion, a totally unsatisfactory contract. I have to stand for something, and as painful as it is, I'm doing it.

"Earlier in April 2012, I'd been asked to participate 'minimally' in the Download festival. I believe I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with BLACK SABBATH. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a SABBATH set, while I was to play only three songs.

"I found out about the Birmingham gig on Monday, April 30 through the Internet ad. I was taken aback somewhat by the date, and the fact it was Birmingham. Knowing the 'signable' contract negotiations were at best in shreds, I was upset by the idea that the band was going to play Birmingham and play it assumedly without me. I had no prior knowledge of the date and location, and I felt totally excluded. We contacted the representative for BLACK SABBATH to see if something could be worked out. In the meantime, my drum crew and I, along with our U.S. endorsers, finished all the necessary planning for a swift departure to the U.K. There wasn't a whole lot to complete; we'd all been on standby more or less since mid-January 2012. The remaining work in the U.K. was confirmed done by our European and U.K. endorsers and we were good to go by Friday, May 4 2012. There were two stress points: firstly, getting an agreement in place, and secondly, getting to England in a timely manner. Jetlag time was taken into account as well as drum practice, a drum practice room in the heart of Birmingham, accommodation, and travel arrangements were all in place to meet with any band rehearsals that may have transpired before the Birmingham show. So far everything that had been arranged was on my dime, but we didn't move ahead without a realistic confirmation.

"Communications between the representative and my lawyer continued through the weekend of May 5, finalizing on Wednesday, May 9. The offer we received on May 9 was, 'Come to the U.K., play for free and see how the first show goes.' I was tempted. Playing for free would not have been a problem for me, but 'seeing how the first show goes' left an element of risk which could have affected Download. My ideal thought was to play in full the Birmingham show, in full Download, and in full Lollapalooza.

"I had notified the representative that May 10 was my cutoff day in order to have good lead-in time for England. On the night of May 9, I asked for a brief letter to be sent to the representative asking to find out if we were at an end. On the morning of Thursday, May 10, I received a reply in the affirmative. After consulting with my advisors and crew, a decision was made to let go and stop.

"I can't prioritize the SABBATH fans making one show more important than the other. I can't do that. All of you are important. It's all the gigs or none at all. I can't come to Birmingham and 'see what happens' knowing there is a risk of not being able to play Download or Lollapalooza. Again, for me, it's all or nothing. I had to say 'no' to Birmingham on the principle of wanting to play all the shows.

"Saying no to Birmingham is very difficult for me. My family grew up in Birmingham. BLACK SABBATH grew up in Birmingham. It's still my hometown and I resent having to arrive at such a difficult choice.

"Although the statement was made that 'the door is always open' for me, as explained above, walking through that door is not always as easy as it sounds. There are many complicated issues and unseen and unspoken agendas on hand. I can assure you, my criteria for a 'signable' contract is based in mindful principles, respectability, and acknowledgement of my history within the band.

"I hold no malice or resentment towards the other band members. I love them; I'm tolerant of them; I'm frustrated with them, as they may be with me. My fight has never been with them. I'll love them forever. In my opinion, nobody wins this time; the band doesn't win; the fans for an original lineup don't win. Nobody wins, nobody. Even the ones who thought they did.

"I didn't want to make this decision, but I have to be honest and transparent. This is the statement I didn't want to write; it's the last thing I wanted to do. But, I have written it, and now it can go into the universe.

"Since spring of 2011, I've waited patiently and hopefully for a signable contract, you know the rest. I stand for the boy in the U.K., for the coming drum student, for all the drummers, who write their parts out and get stiffed on the publishing, I stand with the SABBATH fans chanting 'Bill Ward' and asking 'why?' and I stand with Tony and Geezer and Ozzy.

"On a final note, even though I'm at an end with the upcoming announced concerts, I will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate 'signable' terms with SABBATH's representatives in the future.

"Stay strong. Stay safe.

"With all my heart and strength, I love you, Bill Ward.

"Following on a separate page is a thank you message to some very extraordinary people."

[Mout Mout]

Bon esprit...Ozzy & FRIENDS quoi !

[Balin]

[Thrashos]

N'empêche, de rester toujours "i still stand for the boys", c'est quand même un sacré pigeon... je comprends l'amour qu'il peut avoir pour le groupe, mais se foutre de sa gueule à ce point, et qu'il reste les bras ouverts malgré que ça a l'air de lui retourner les tripes...

[NicoGan]

Bah disons que 3 morceaux lors d'un concert de Sabbath ça doit mettre du beurre dans les épinards.

[olivier64]

vous allez voir que ça va être Tommy Clufetos, le batteur d'Ozzy qui fera les dates.

[BLCKME]

Bill Ward confirme qu'il ne jouera pas avec Black Sabbath sur scène, c'est foutu.
Les histoires de contrats, managers, avocats, n'ont pas pu être réglées. Le mois dernier, on lui a proposé de ne jouer que 3 morceaux au concert du Download...
De plus, il a appris par hasard sur Internet que le groupe avait réservé une date à Birmingham, leur ville d'origine! Sans lui donc. Belle ambiance.

rien à branler, Arcturus et SunnO))) à la même heure au HF!
"il faut vivre au présennnnnn~nnnt wayyyyyne!"

[BLCKME]

vous allez voir que ça va être Tommy Clufetos, le batteur d'Ozzy qui fera les dates.

on peut voir le lineup sur le site du HF:

[olivier64]

je parlais des 3 concerts de BLACK SABBATH.

[BLCKME]

ah, au temps pour moi!

[Everflow]

Le groupe (enfin ses managers) ne souhaite pas répondre à Bill Ward, et annonce qu'ils ont déjà un remplaçant.

BLACK SABBATH members Tony Iommi (guitar), Geezer Butler (bass) and Ozzy Osbourne (vocals) have released the following statement:

"We have decided not to make any detailed comment on Bill's latest statement. There are two sides to every story. We have been working hard at rehearsals making excellent progress after Tony's treatments and we have engaged a substitute drummer for the forthcoming shows. See you at Download."

[DavidHasselhofSteel]

Mais attends Iommi peut à nouveau jouer et on va quand même se taper Zakk Wilde ? Ah ben merde alors !

[PE]

Mais attends Iommi peut à nouveau jouer et on va quand même se taper Zakk Wilde ? Ah ben merde alors !

C'est une chose de faire 2 concerts en Angleterre et 1 aux US, c'en est une autre de se taper une tournée mondiale.

[lole66]

ça tourne à la mascarade cette affaire, c'était bien la peine de faire tout une comm' avec le line up d' origine, blah blah blah ....au final on se retrouve avec un ozzy liquide, un Iommy malade, un batteur de remplacement ...

[olivier64]

Dans un geste de très grande classe, BLACK SABBATH a supprimé toutes les photos représentant Bill WARD de leur site officiel. BLACK SABBATH est donc représenté comme un trio dans les photos des anénes 70.

http://www.blacksabbath.com/gallery.html?ga=11

Merci Sharon ?

[lole66]

faut dire que dès qu'elle traine dans les parages des groupes la hyéne, il y a du carnage ....

[Tony Le Pouilleux]

Ils ont staliné Bill Ward!

[PE]

Encore une fois, c'est pas pour défender Sharon, mais bon un peu de modération ne fait jamais de mal : c'est pas Sharon qui décide de tout. Iommi et Butler ont eux aussi des managers. Tout est fait en concertation entre les différents managers. Si Iommi et Butler voulaient vraiment avoir Ward, il serait là. C'est pas Sharon qui décide. Et ça m'étonnerait que ce soit elle qui décide aussi seule d'enlever les photos sur le site.
Au passage, rappelez-vous quand même que sans Sharon, Ozzy n'aurait rien fait après Black Sabbath.

[Bib]

Merci, je me sens moins seul d'un coup !!!