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Posté : 27 août 2010, 09:49
par Holy Cross

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ah yes! En esperant un album pas trop soporifique :D

Posté : 02 sept. 2010, 00:37
par Everflow
Bravewords ont écouté l'album encore non terminé, si vous avez le courage de lire :


The more technology man relies on; we lose another piece of humanity. Knowing VIRGIN STEELE founder/vocalist David DeFeis for years, I feel safe in saying he would concur. So it’s only fitting that I record our telephone interview on tape, he playing yet-to-be-completed compositions down the line. No file sharing, cell phone or I-pad trickery, just old school reliability.

The songs are in various states of completion, some lacking bass or second guitar, none with the final mix. We begin with ‘The Bread Of Wickedness’, which he says is one of the shorter songs he’s written in a while, around 3:30. Introduced with a choir, it’s a fast old-school sounding number with DeFeis’ famous yelp. “The bread of wickedness, it’s in their eyes.” Next up, a healthy portion of the lengthy ‘By The Hammer Of Zeus’. After a wild start, it falls back into a slower, piano accompanied pace. ‘In A Dream Of Fire’ kicks off with keyboards, regal, almost liturgical in feel. Aggressive vocal delivery, with the characteristic DeFeis wail. We close the listening session with ‘Pagan Heart’. With guitar beneath the keys, after a smoothly delivered initial verse, it jumps into a solo spotlight for long-time guitarist Edward Pursino.

From his home studio on Long Island, DeFeis is feverishly hoping to finish his forthcoming The Black Light Bacchanalia in time for a late October release in Europe, followed by North America, on November 9th. “This is all done in my home,” starts the mild mannered singer. “Sometimes I can’t get away, like now, with deadlines, I’m in here almost constantly. When I’m a little less pressed, it’s more of when the spirit moves me, although I try to get in here every day. Sometimes life takes over and you can’t get in until the evening. I’ve got so much music ready. Once I finish this record, I want to get the next two records ready. Now that we’re with SPV, I hope to have the next record out a year later. We were doing fairly well when we were will T&T/Noise, almost an annual release. I hope to get back to that type of schedule.”

That said, the 2006 album, Visions Of Eden, which he claims as a lyrical jumping off point for the like-minded new disc, was only available Stateside as an import. “Never officially released (domestically),” his tone drops. “No, but we plan to re-issue all the albums (from Noble Savage onward).” One of the oft criticized aspects of that record was its lack of aggression. None too surprisingly, its creator disagrees and says such comments had no bearing on his mindset for the new one. “What I believe people are reacting to is the mix. If they don’t hear screaming guitars and drums, then it’s not aggressive. I’m not singing any differently on that album. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but sometimes you get this group mentality. That said, I would like to remix that album, so you can hear what I’m talking about. It really wasn’t ready when I had to deliver it to Sanctuary. I wish I had a couple of extra weeks to work on the mix.” Perhaps that will come to pass, on the re-issue (is that the correct phrase, given it’s lack of an initial release?) “I’m not sure what the bonus tracks will be (on any of them). They might be live songs. I’ve got 7 CDs of acoustic stuff Edward and I have done, just two track (recordings), but it sounds great. There’s recordings by the fireplace in my living room. A few live shows, not fully produced, but sound good and there’s tons of wacky covers I’ve done. My idea of reissues is not to have someone who already owns the album buy it again, it’s for the person who just discovered the band.”

Given SPV and the singer’s dedication to an elaborate The Black Light Bacchanalia, there’s a good chance those numbers will increase substantially. Featuring a trio of different designs for the artwork, it’s liable to be highly visible. “I’m working on that too and the guy doing the artwork will be back from vacation next week, so I have to give him the rest of it. There will be at LEAST three different covers (CD, vinyl and digi-pak). The artwork will all be related. The vinyl will be a triple gatefold, so you can imagine what will be in there. The record company wants to do a special edition and I had written out an elaborate bio (explanation of the concept), but the printing would be prohibitive, so they asked me to read it. The special edition will come with a second, bonus disc, featuring two (non-album) tracks from these sessions and me, “books on tape.” I’m thinking of taking the strings section from some of these songs, things you can’t hear with all the guitars and drums screaming overtop, and have that playing behind my voice. It won’t be dry. These things take time though.”

Time is never a luxury for the one-man driving force behind Virgin Steele. But doesn’t Pursino, whom DeFeis acknowledges playing alongside since they were both 14 years old, have a hand in writing some of the music? Absolutely nothing,” he laughs. “Edward and I have a great writing partnership, but he didn’t write anything for this album, nor the last one. We couldn’t find the time. Last summer, we got together and wrote five songs. They weren’t right for this album though. They are more of a bluesy, metalized feel, sort of Life Among The Ruins. Maybe we could use those as some of the bonus tracks, but they’re so strong, they really warrant their own album.”

The band has been, by their standards, highly visible this year, with several festival appearances. “SPV played no part in those dates, as they were committed to prior to me signing with the label. Lots of one-offs, or heading over to Europe for three days in a row, then back home. In South America, it was fans that made it happen: fans from the 80s who have now become lawyers and wanted to see the band. The others, we were asked: Magic Circle festival, Rock Hard, Headbangers Open Air. I talked to our agent last week and once this album is done, I’d like to be a little more visible. We haven’t done a consistent run since House Of Atreus (around 2000). However, this is a lifestyle choice, not a career, or we’d have made different choices. I never wanted anyone in the band to feel pressure about being in the band (in terms of time commitment vs. personal life).”

If you do get a chance to see the band, chances are the setlist will be vastly different from town to town. That’s by (intelligent) design. “We did a show in January, where there was an issue with the drums. I looked at Edward and said, ‘Bring it home’. After that, it was a 30 to 45 minute acoustic set. After that, the issue was fixed and we finished the electric show. We’re students of old school bands, like Led Zeppelin and Queen. We have a repertoire and on any given night, we can play something or a different version of a song, depending upon the mood or how things are being accepted. When Edward joined the band, he had to learn 28 songs and that was back on Noble Savage. When the bass player joined, he had to learn 70 songs! Sometime we try something and it’s not working this year, so we put it away for a couple of year. We want to keep it fresh, for us and well as the fans.”

I purposefully left any discussion of the subject matter to the end, forewarned that it was too lengthy to describe succinctly (and accurately), as well as differing to the DeFeis intoned explanation on the digi-pak. “It is a concept, in that we have these fundamentalists trying to blow up our country. We have fundamentalists from this country trying to take over, businessmen…It doesn’t matter whether it’s Muslims, or Christian, I’m against the fundamentalist, organized religion ideology. Like the song “The Orpheus Taboo’. I don’t know if you know the story, but Orpheus’ wife is taken from him. He goes to Hades and charms them with his music. He’s told he can have his wife back, but upon exiting the underworld, “don’t look back.” Well he does and his wife is whisked away, to be left behind. That’s me. I’d look back too. I’m the one that says “Fuck you God, don’t tell me what to do.” It picks up where (Visions Of Eden) left off, about the war between dark and light, male vs. female and also the fear that the sun won’t rise and why we do the crazy things we do.” Upon telling him of my admiration for lyrics generated above the belt, typically between the ears, he says, “I was raised in a theatrical family. I was watching Euripides, Escalus and Shakespeare. It’s part of who I am.”

And there are very few like him: articulate, well-mannered and able to speak on a variety of historical topics (art, politics, mythology, wine) and yet scream like a Banshee (onstage) when called upon.

Posté : 02 sept. 2010, 13:29
par Hellion
Toujours intéressant. Même s'il n'y a pas de revelations.
Les albums devraient s'enchainer, il devrait tourner un peu plus, il trouve que Vision of Eden etait pas aussi mou que ça...

Posté : 02 sept. 2010, 15:10
par Yama
C'est "intéressant" mais c'est quand même très vide d'informations. :)

Posté : 04 sept. 2010, 11:44
par Murder-One
La pochette :

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Posté : 04 sept. 2010, 17:06
par Everflow
mmmm... intéressant. J'aime bien, à voir en plus grand.

Posté : 06 sept. 2010, 13:41
par BLCKME
Everflow a écrit :mmmm... intéressant. J'aime bien, à voir en plus grand.
là pour le coup on dirait une pochette de Doom (à la Cathedral un peu en moins édulcoré évidemment).

Posté : 07 sept. 2010, 01:55
par Khayman
Clochette a écrit : Ajoute à ca Noble Savage et Age of Consent et tu obtiens pour moi l'essentiel de ce que le groupe a fait de mieux.
Ces deux albums sont ceux que je ressors le plus souvent pour ma part.

Même si ils sont très bons j'avoue que j'ai du mal à me farcir un "Mariage" ou un "House of Atreus" en entier, mais NS et AoC passent sans problème, niveau chant DeFeis y met plus d'énergie, c'est plus direct (et moins théatral dans l'ensemble, quoique par moment...).
Bref rien que "The Burning of Rome" et "Lion in Winter", il faut écouter "Age of Consent" ♥

Sinon la pochette du nouvel album est chouette!

Posté : 17 sept. 2010, 16:04
par Mr. Sandman
Les détails des différentes éditions:
Standard Jewel Case Edition:

01. By The Hammer Of Zeus (And The Wrecking Ball Of Thor)
02. Pagan Heart
03. The Bread Of Wickedness
04. In A Dream Of Fire
05. Nepenthe (I Live Tomorrow)
06. The Orpheus Taboo
08. To Crown Them With Halos (Parts 1 & 2)
09. The Black Light Bacchanalia (The Age That Is To Come)
10. The Tortures Of The Damned
11. Necropolis (He Answers Them With Death)
12. Eternal Regret

Limited-Edition Digipak:

CD 1

01. By The Hammer Of Zeus (And The Wrecking Ball Of Thor)
02. Pagan Heart
03. The Bread Of Wickedness
04. In A Dream Of Fire
05. Nepenthe (I Live Tomorrow)
06. The Orpheus Taboo
07. To Crown Them With Halos (Parts 1 & 2)
08. The Black Light Bacchanalia (The Age That Is To Come)
09. The Tortures Of The Damned
10. Necropolis (He Answers Them With Death)
11. Eternal Regret

CD 2

01. When I'm Silent (The Wind Of Voices) (bonus track)
02. Silent Sorrow (bonus track)
03. From A Whisper To A Scream (The Spoken Biography) (spoken by David DeFeis)

Limited-Edition LP Box Set:

LP 1

Side 1

01. By The Hammer Of Zeus (And The Wrecking Ball Of Thor)
02. Pagan Heart

Side 2

01. The Bread Of Wickedness
02. In A Dream Of Fire

LP 2

Side 1

01. Nepenthe (I Live Tomorrow)
02. The Orpheus Taboo

Side 2

01. To Crown Them With Halos (Parts 1 & 2)
02. The Black Light Bacchanalia (The Age That Is To Come)

LP 3

Side 1

01. The Tortures Of The Damned
02. Necropolis (He Answers Them With Death)

Side 2

01. Eternal Regret
02. When I'm Silent (bonus track)

Bonus Materials

* Book in LP format with the complete history of VIRGIN STEELE (written by David DeFeis)
* Extra-large full-color poster
* Sticker
* Postcard
* Jewel case version of the album

All LPs come in printed inner sleeves.

Posté : 18 sept. 2010, 01:26
par Everflow
"By The Hammer Of Zeus" ça c'est du titre de chanson où on a même pas besoin de préciser pour savoir que c'est Virgin Steele :lol: :bang: :true:

Je sens que je suis déjà fan.
Khayman a écrit :Bref rien que "The Burning of Rome" et "Lion in Winter", il faut écouter "Age of Consent" ♥
:amour:

Sinon il y a en fait 3 pochettes différentes pour le nouvel album...

CD classique :

Image

Digipack :

Image

LP box set :

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Posté : 18 sept. 2010, 11:05
par Cruchot jr
La version vinyle me tente mais je sens que je vais devoir douiller pour la récupérer :mad:
Habituellement et depuis quelques années, un vinyle en heavy metal est plus cher que la moyenne ; alors si en plus le disque est double, dans un boîte avec un livret fourni, la facture sera chère pour le fan ! Et je ne parle pas des frais de port :,( :,(

Posté : 20 sept. 2010, 01:17
par Everflow
Pub en français :

*STEAMHAMMER / SPV - NEW RELEASE*
Sortie le 25 octobre 2010

Editions limitées :

Digipak : CD + Bonus CD
Coffret : 3 LP / livre (l’histoire de Virgin Steele écrite par David DeFeis)
+ Poster + autocollant + carte postale / CD (tirage limité à 3000 exemplaires dans le monde)

INFO :

Au sujet de ce nouveau chapitre de la glorieuse carrière de VIRGIN STEELE, le chanteur David DeFeis dit : « il s’agit d‘un album long... près de 80 minutes... Pour être bref, ce disque se résumerait à l'inversion de toutes choses... Suite à des invasions et aux croisements de cultures, d’anciennes divinités païennes deviennent les démons d’une nouvelle religion… En fait « The Black Light Bacchanalia » reflète le renversement des frontières sexuelles sacrées… Un déesse subie la profanation finale, une descente aux enfers s’engage en contraste avec la montée de l'idée du Dieu de la montagne de feu.... l’histoire aborde aussi d’anciennes craintes comme la peur du soleil qui ne se lève pas… Au niveau des textes, c'est en quelque sorte la suite de ce que j’avais déjà abordé sur notre dernier album (« Visions of Eden, paru en 2006), mais musicalement c'est quelque chose de tout à fait différent »

Formé en 1981 sur la côte-est des Etats-Unis, depuis la parution de son premier album en 1982, VIRGIN STEELE est devenu une icone du metal US... tout d’abord principalement influencé par des ouvrages de science fiction, en 1985, avec l’arrivée du guitariste Edward Pursino et la sortie du fantastique « Noble Savage », VIRGIN STEELE a alors commencé à brillamment conjuguer ses premières inspirations aux mythologies antiques.

A la fois barbare et romantique, et surtout grandiose, la musique de VIRGIN STEELE tient vraiment une place à part dans l’histoire du heavy metal !

Musiciens :

David DeFeis – chant
Edward Pursino – guitares
Josh Block – basse, guitares
Frank Gilchriest - batterie

www.virgin-steele.com
www.myspace.com/spvmusic

Posté : 30 sept. 2010, 00:13
par Everflow
L'enregistrement est enfin terminé, Defeis est soulagé :
U.S. metallers VIRGIN STEELE will release their new album, "The Black Light Bacchanalia", via SPV/Steamhammer on the following dates:

Germany, Austria, Switzerland: October 22
Rest of Europe: October 25
USA, Canada: November 9

The effort will be made available as limited-edition digipak, standard CD, limited-edition LP box set and as a digital download. The limited-edition LP box set will be released on November 23 in North America. Each version will have its own unique artwork.

Commented vocalist David DeFeis: "Well... believe it or not... we have actually finished 'The Black Light Bacchanalia' album and sent it off to our label, Steamhammer/SPV for publication/replication.

"It was a mad, wild time these past few weeks and days recording and mixing like banshees! But... we made it.

"A week ago seems like an entire lifetime ago. It seems like every possible situation and change of season has occurred in a matter of hours and days. I personally went through the full dynamic range of emotional upheavals possible. One minute I was on top of the world, the next completely beneath it... and everything in between. Through it all, as we say here in the Land Of Steele... we remained... Invictus!

"As always, when it comes time to actually part with an album and send it off into the world, I get very crazy. I always want to completely re-do it, to go back to the beginning and live with everything longer, but this, of course, is impossible.

"I am always frantic and rushed with every album, but this one was exceptionally challenging. Its birth was very much like how they did it in the long, long past, when people like Chuck Berry or Elvis would record a song, and then it would be immediately pressed and released only a few short hours later.

"After finishing these final mixes, I straight away began the process to send the album over to our label, so I really did not have the opportunity to live with these final mixes, listen back and adjust anything along the way... I trust that all turned out well and can only judge things from my initial gut reaction... which was that everything seems fine and nice and raw!

"In the end, life goes on and all projects must have their completion, and this one is now well on its way to landing in your hands soon. I hope you enjoy it. All of us here in the House Of Steele stand behind it, and think that it makes a very appropriate soundtrack to the coming autumnal season. We poured all our blood, sweat, and energy into these tracks and everything from $200 dollar scotch (a very nice gift from a fan) to 7-11 coffee went into the making of it.

"May it empower you and take you on journeys both strange and beautiful."

Posté : 04 oct. 2010, 12:58
par Le G@SP
nous aussi! Enfin! (je dis ça mais j'ai même pas acheté le précédent)

Posté : 21 oct. 2010, 23:20
par Everflow
Au moment où l'album sort, Defeis répond à des questions de fans sur celui-ci :
VIRGIN STEELE mastermind David Defeis recently penned a new blog answering some fan questions about "The Black Light Bacchanalia":

"I have been getting some inquiries about what the new album is all about, and I thought that it might be nice to answer them in a kind of question-and-answer-type manner, so here we go:

"One of the questions I am getting is....What does the title, 'The Black Light Bacchanalia', mean? My answer is this... Well, it is my way of saying something like 'This Insane Life". It should be thought of in the same spirit as the way Dante called his work 'The Divine Comedy'. He was discussing life in all its multifaceted craziness, and I mean something similar with the phrase, 'The Black Light Bacchanalia'. I, too, am speaking about life and all its attendant drama, aches, and pains, pathos, joys and sorrows. By that phrase I also mean 'The Great Reversal'. Where when one culture conquers another, the deities of the conquered people become the demons of the conquerors religion. Everything is turned upside down... topsy-turvy. This is essentially what happened to paganism and gnosticism. The pagans were killed off, and their worship of Bacchus/Dionysus with their bacchanalias was suppressed. But... in the glow of the Black Light things that are white are illuminated... the other colors fade into the shadows...The pagans went underground....

"Another question of late is: Is this a concept album? And if so, what can you tell us about the concept?

"Yes, it is a concept album. It does continue the tale I began on the 'Visions Of Eden' album, and brings those elements to their conclusion, with the death of Lilith (in 'To Crown Them With Halos'), and also God finally lamenting all the damage he has done and the havoc he has wrought in 'Eternal Regret'. I equate Lilith with Hypatia (the ancient pagan astronomer/philosopher of Alexandria, who was murdered by monks) and Joan Of Arc, and Lyzebel (a Sumerian queen who most people know as Jezebel, but that name is a perversion of the original Lyzebel, which means Baal is exalted; she too was murdered), as well as all the various goddess figures. I continue the discussion of the death of paganism and the eradication of the female goddess principle due to the rise of the mountain-fire-father God, but I go further with discussing the rise of 'organized' religion and its mark upon paganism, and the subsequent coming of the Dark Ages. However, that being said, I am really discussing today's Dark Ages, and the rise of fundamentalism in all walks of life, not only religion, but politics, and everywhere else. And ultimately the album is about rebellion. Rebellion against authority, God, government, whatever... etc. This is quite clear in songs like 'The Orpheus Taboo'.

"A question for those who heard about some of our difficulties... How did the recordings go?

"Answer: They went very well for the most part, but we did have a few problems along the way. Due to the late summer storms, we had a few electrical/technical mishaps! We lost various tracks that had to be re-recorded... I did panic at one point as I had lost a fair amount of information that needed to be done again... Fortunately, I do write everything down the old-fashioned way, so I always have my notes to refer to... this helped! It was quite stressful, but it only made the album even more passionate and raw. I can somewhat laugh about it now, as I have gotten it all together... but... living through it was a bit unnerving...

"Next question: What is different about this album compared to your others?

"Answer: Using the 12 notes that are found in Western civilization's music, I feel that I was able to invoke new emotions and new combinations of these notes and chords that I have not utilized before. For example tracks like 'To Crown Them With Halos' and 'The Black Light Bacchanalia (The Age That Is to Come)' contain various musical elements and moods that have never before appeared on a VIRGIN STEELE album. That kind of mutant riffing and that kind of bizarre sequence in the bridge of the latter tune are quite different for us. It is darker than before in certain areas, and also more straight-ahead in others. I think there is a nice balance between the various styles we do. I think that everyone really played their collective asses off. Frank [Gilchriest] gives the drum performance of his life on these tracks. There is just so much virtuosity coming out of him these days. Josh [Block] did amazing guitar solos and fat rhythms, and Edward [Pursino] played with tremendous passion and great energy. I think it may be among our finest recorded performances thus far. All the feeling of our summer live shows went into these recordings. Performing gigs first and then recording right after definitely can spice up one's studio game!

"I am also really pleased with the artwork. I chose three separate yet related covers for each of the three configurations we are releasing the album in. The covers are all from around 1400 or 1500, and have to do with the inquisition or the occult. They are wood carvings or etchings, and I have used a few more of them inside the booklets. These are 'found' images that I have located among various items in my house.

"I have been going organic with our covers for quite a while now. For example the 'House Of Atreus' covers were made from a shield that hangs on a wall in my house. While I am working on the albums I look around and see if anything will leap out at me and scream, 'This is the sound of the album in visual form.' Again, for example, with 'The House Of Atreus' shield...when I looked at that it screamed to me, 'Kingdom Of The Fearless'... so I immediately took it down from the wall and had it photographed. The same with these three images for the new covers. I heard the moans of 'The Black Light Bacchanalia' when I viewed them... The other images inside the booklet are kind of media-manipulated artworks that are part paintings and part something else. These were done by my friend Julian Ilieve, and they are great, and they, too, capture the spirit residing inside the sounds. All these various components were nobly put together by one Jens Reinhold. Jens did a glorious job bringing all these elements together.

"And the last question for the moment: We have heard that you said this album seems like a debut album. What do you mean by that?

"Answer: I mean that it has that kind of 'we're out to prove ourselves' fire that many debut albums have, and it is well paced and diverse yet also quite connected. It contains that kind of spontaneity and raw passion that makes it seem so fresh. It sounds like we are all very excited about what we are doing.

"When I first heard all the tracks back to back in one go, it reminded me of the feelings I got upon listening to the first two LED ZEPPELIN albums, or VAN HALEN's debut or QUEEN I. It just felt so alive and reckless, polished, yet wild.

"I hope that everyone will enjoy it..."

Posté : 28 oct. 2010, 10:22
par Hellion
L'album est sorti. Quelqu'un a franchi le pas ?

1 titre, très classique pour le groupe, en écoute ici même :
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=148403

Posté : 28 oct. 2010, 16:33
par Cardinal-Sin
Album acheté reste plus qu à me farcir :D

Posté : 28 oct. 2010, 18:59
par Yama
Cardinal-Sin a écrit :Album acheté reste plus qu à me farcir :D

T'as oublié un mot, ou tu veux une pomme dans le cul ? :D

Posté : 29 oct. 2010, 10:25
par Hellion
Acheté en occase a Gibert hier...
1ere écoute...
Spoiler
un poil décevante. Avec une prod bien plate. 'fin bon 1ere écoute quoi...

Posté : 29 oct. 2010, 11:04
par Auric
J'espere qu'ils ont un peu calmé leur piano de merde et leur synthé Bontempi de merde :D

Posté : 30 oct. 2010, 18:56
par metalizer
Hellion a écrit :Acheté en occase a Gibert hier...
Déjà en occase :o

Posté : 30 oct. 2010, 20:59
par Cruchot jr
metalizer a écrit :
Hellion a écrit :Acheté en occase a Gibert hier...
Déjà en occase :o
Wow, ça fout les boules !
J'ai hésité à le prendre l'autre jour au Virgin de Rennes, pour 20€. Même si c'est un groupe que j'adore, j'appréhende quand même niveau production...

Posté : 02 nov. 2010, 02:24
par Everflow
Hellion a écrit :L'album est sorti. Quelqu'un a franchi le pas ?

1 titre, très classique pour le groupe, en écoute ici même :
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=148403
J'aime bien, avec 2 réserves toutefois : chant moins agressif qu'avant sur ce titre, et encore une fois ce son de batterie limite, même si déjà mieux que sur le précédent j'ai l'impression.

Posté : 02 nov. 2010, 13:29
par Cruchot jr
Le premier titre de l'album ne me parle pas du tout :o malgré le son de guitare qui me rassure dans les premières secondes

Sinon on voit que nos musiciens adorés ont vraiment soixante berges :euh:
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Posté : 02 nov. 2010, 23:52
par Everflow
Toujours le torse bien propre et ouvert Defeis. :D

Posté : 03 nov. 2010, 09:53
par Hellion
Cruchot jr a écrit :
metalizer a écrit :
Hellion a écrit :Acheté en occase a Gibert hier...
Déjà en occase :o
Wow, ça fout les boules !
J'ai hésité à le prendre l'autre jour au Virgin de Rennes, pour 20€. Même si c'est un groupe que j'adore, j'appréhende quand même niveau production...
Et tu as peut être raison d'appréhender. J'ai pas pu trop le réécouter là, je révisais mon wasp...

@ Metalizer : Rassure toi pour l'occase, souvent c'est des versions offertes par l'editeur, juste decelophanées, pas une vraie occase que un type déçu a ramené.
@ Everflow : LA grosse déception, peu de chant agressif comme a la période "invictus", je suis moins fan de son chant "mélodique / fausset"