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Re: retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 28 nov. 2019, 12:20
par Bertrand

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Gandalf a écrit :
28 nov. 2019, 11:45
Et ça fait des années que Neil a grossi et chante comme un canard sous pharyngite
Depuis le début en fait, parles en au producteur de SATD ...

Re: retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 28 nov. 2019, 15:28
par Gandalf
Je pensais en gros à cette période :D Rien de neuf donc, si ce n'est l'âge et les abus d'une vie de rocker en plus :P

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 24 déc. 2019, 00:50
par Everflow
Vince Neil c'était mieux avant.


Re: retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 24 déc. 2019, 08:11
par Bertrand
Everflow a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 00:50
Vince Neil c'était mieux avant.
Quand ça ?

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 24 déc. 2019, 11:35
par demes
:lol:

Everflow : de toute façon je ne connais pas de groupe où c'est mieux maintenant. :D

Re: retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 24 déc. 2019, 13:51
par Everflow
Bertrand a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 08:11
Everflow a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 00:50
Vince Neil c'était mieux avant.
Quand ça ?
Quand il n'avait pas besoin d'un nutritionniste juste pour pouvoir assurer une tournée. :D
leur manager a écrit :"Some of them are working with a trainer, some of them are working with a nutritionist to make themselves the best they can be," Kovac told Fox Business. "The greatest insecurity for an artist is: Is anyone going to care about my music? Is anyone going to buy a ticket? We were in November when the discussions were happening, and these guys were already into regimens of how they get ready for a tour."

Speaking specifically about Neil, Kovac said: "Let's see what Vince sings like and looks like when the tour goes out."

Re: retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 24 déc. 2019, 15:16
par Bertrand
Everflow a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 13:51
Bertrand a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 08:11
Everflow a écrit :
24 déc. 2019, 00:50
Vince Neil c'était mieux avant.
Quand ça ?
Quand il n'avait pas besoin d'un nutritionniste juste pour pouvoir assurer une tournée. :D
Ah physiquement, parce que vocalement, ça n'a jamais été ça.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 03 avr. 2020, 09:18
par olivier64
Vince Neil a l'air prêt pour la tournée !


retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 26 avr. 2020, 17:38
par Graptemiss
Jack Black si un jour je tombe sur une lampe avec un génie je l'épouse :lol:

(pas le génie)

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 29 oct. 2022, 13:43
par Everflow
Mick Mars se retire du groupe, il n'est plus physiquement en capacité de participer aux tournées...

Il est remplacé par John 5.
MÖTLEY CRÜE has officially recruited John 5 as its new guitarist following Mick Mars's decision to no longer tour with the band.

Earlier today, MÖTLEY CRÜE released the following statement: "While change is never easy, we accept Mick's decision to retire from the band due to the challenges with his health. We have watched Mick manage his Ankylosing Spondylitis for decades and he has always managed it with utmost courage and grace.

"To say 'enough is enough' is the ultimate act of courage. Mick's sound helped define MÖTLEY CRÜE from the minute he plugged in his guitar at our very first rehearsal together. The rest, as they say, is history. We'll continue to honor his musical legacy.

"We will carry out Mick's wish and continue to tour the world as planned in 2023. No doubt will it take an absolutely outstanding musician to fill Mick's shoes so we are grateful that our good friend, John 5 has agreed to come on board and join us moving forward. We'll see all you Crüeheads out on the road!"

Added John 5: "I'm honored to carry on Mick's legacy and am looking forward to playing these songs."

A longtime friend of MÖTLEY CRÜE bassist Nikki Sixx, John 5 is one of the credited co-writers on the three original songs on CRÜE's "The Dirt" soundtrack and he is also a member of L.A. RATS, the supergroup featuring Sixx, Rob Zombie and drummer Tommy Clufetos.

John 5's involvement with MÖTLEY CRÜE as the band's new guitarist was first reported as a rumor by the Metal Sludge web site on October 7.

Speculation about John 5 replacing Mars gained strength after the longtime ROB ZOMBIE guitarist failed to appear with the shock rocker at this year's Aftershock festival in Sacramento. Rob was instead joined on stage by returning guitarist Mike Riggs for the first time since 2006.

John 5 has performed MÖTLEY CRÜE songs a number of times in the past. Back in 2018, John 5 was joined by Sixx along with ANTHRAX's Scott Ian and his wife Pearl Aday at the Whisky A Go Go in West Hollywood, California to play a cover of "Shout At The Devil". Earlier this year, the guitarist ran through renditions of both "Home Sweet Home" and "Kickstart My Heart" at various shows on his U.S. tour.

John 5 spoke about his close friendship with Sixx in a 2019 interview with Outburn. At the time he said: "Nikki, he's my best friend. We love each other. He has inspired me and taught me so much about life in general. He's a phenomenal songwriter, lyricist, author, everything. He's always telling me to listen to this audio book or see this movie. He has a happy marriage, a happy life, a successful band he started from the ground up. He's one of the most inspiring people. He'll text me all the time to read something or try something. It's wonderful. He's a phenomenal photographer as well. I remember him telling me that he’s going to take bass lessons again and get into playing with his fingers. He was so dedicated. We worked on 'The Dirt' soundtrack together. When we went into the studio, he did it all with his fingers. [MÖTLEY CRÜE drummer] Tommy Lee was like, 'Look at you.' He's just such a dedicated person. I loved ['The Dirt'] movie; it was killer."

Mick's retirement was officially announced on Wednesday via a statement from his representative to Variety. The statement said: "Mick Mars, co-founder and lead guitarist of the heavy metal band MÖTLEY CRÜE for the past 41 years, has announced today that due to his ongoing painful struggle with Ankylosing Spondylitis (A.S.),he will no longer be able to tour with the band. Mick will continue as a member of the band, but can no longer handle the rigors of the road. A.S. is an extremely painful and crippling degenerative disease, which affects the spine."

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 03 févr. 2023, 21:10
par Everflow
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retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 03 févr. 2023, 22:11
par Tailgunner
J'ai beaucoup de mal avec ce que font les vieilles gloires du hard rock. Je ne sais pas trop comment exprimer ce que je pense. Là ça tombe sur Mötley Crüe (qui a encore plus de mérite à se prendre un "pan sur le bec" vu le pipeau de leurs sois-disant adieux).
J'ai bien en tête l'argument "beau pognon", la plupart des gens fonctionnent comme ça, y compris votre serviteur qui a déjà changé d'entreprise pour des raisons pécuniaires.
Mais sincèrement, les tournées d'adieu mais en fait non vous savez on a changé d'avis, voire des septuagénaires sur scène revivre leur jeunesse et j'en passe... ça vous fait envie ?
Argument pourri parce que personnel, mais : mon père aura 77 ans en avril. J'ai pas envie de voir mon père sur scène :hum:

Et la photo est clairement passée par photoshop. Vince Neil est trop maigre :D

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 03 févr. 2023, 22:19
par Everflow
Disons que s'ils arrêtaient de dire tout le temps qu'ils prennent leur retraite, ça passerait bien mieux.
Après je n'ai pas de problème à ce qu'ils continuent jusqu'à la fin, du moins tant qu'ils tiennent debout et assurent une performance plus que correcte, ce qui n'est pas forcément le cas de Vince Neil malheureusement.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 04 févr. 2023, 08:36
par Tailgunner
Everflow a écrit :
03 févr. 2023, 22:19
Après je n'ai pas de problème à ce qu'ils continuent jusqu'à la fin
Faut voir, j'ai vu Johnny Winter un an avant sa mort, c'était vraiment pathétique. C'est là que j'ai commencé à me poser des questions sur l'âge des artistes avant de prendre un billet de concert.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 04 févr. 2023, 12:01
par demes
Tailgunner a écrit :
03 févr. 2023, 22:11
Et la photo est clairement passée par photoshop. Vince Neil est trop maigre :D
Mais non il a fait "comme j'aime". :D

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 04 févr. 2023, 18:27
par Dark Schneider
Clair que vu le tarif des concerts (qui peuvent en plus être proportionnel à l'âge des musiciens), faut se poser des questions avant d'aller à ce genre de concert. J'aime beaucoup Motley Crue, mais clairement ça ne me motive pas de les voir en 2023 sur scène.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 04 févr. 2023, 20:44
par Tailgunner
Dark Schneider a écrit :
04 févr. 2023, 18:27
J'aime beaucoup Motley Crue, mais clairement ça ne me motive pas de les voir en 2023 sur scène.
Tout à fait d'accord avec toi. J'ai vu le groupe en 2009 (Neil aux fraises) et 2012 en salle, c'était mieux mais je soupçonne une aide par bandes. C'est certain pour les chœurs trop propres pour être honnêtes. Et en sortant du concert (et les billets étaient chers, j'ai plus le prix en tête mais c'était en Suisse), je me souviens qu'on s'était dit avec mon ex-copine qu'on ne nous y reprendrait plus pour Mötley. Et on était fans tous les deux !

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 09 févr. 2023, 19:07
par metalrunner
Je viens de voir une video avec mister vince la grande classe :lol: putain la déchéance payer pour ca :beurk:

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 10 févr. 2023, 15:33
par Tailgunner
J'ai pas regardé, pas forcément la foi de regarder ce que ça donne. Mais ça ne me surprend pas. Et ça me fait mal de l'écrire tant j'ai été fan de ce groupe !

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 10 févr. 2023, 16:13
par guardianofsteel
Je vais rester sur cette performance légendaire au bang your head en ce qui me concerne :D

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 09 avr. 2023, 12:35
par Everflow
Mick Mars est en guerre ouverte avec le reste du groupe : il s'estime arnaqué et va en justice pour réclamer ses droits. C'est beaucoup plus compliqué que ça en fait, détails ci-dessous.

Mais le plus intéressant est que Mars affirme que lors de la dernière tournée à laquelle il a participé, la basse était pré-enregistrée, et une partie de la batterie également. :D
MÖTLEY CRÜE guitarist Mick Mars has sued his bandmates, claiming they are ripping him off financially.

Mars, whose real name is Robert Alan Deal, announced in October that he was retiring from touring with MÖTLEY CRÜE due to his ongoing painful struggle with ankylosing spondylitis, a type of arthritis that causes inflammation in the spine joints and ligaments and can lead to stiffness over time. But in his lawsuit, which was obtained by TMZ, the 71-year-old says he made it clear he could still record with the band or do limited performances, but he just couldn't handle a full tour with his condition.

Mars lawsuit, which was filed Thursday (April 6) in Los Angeles County's Superior Court, states that his bandmates held an emergency shareholders' meeting to throw him out of MÖTLEY CRÜE and strip him of his shares in the corporation that manages the group's business interests.

In the lawsuit, Mick says MÖTLEY CRÜE cut his percentage of profits from 25 percent to 5 percent after he announced he was stepping back from touring. Furthermore, he claims the band's lawyers made him feel like he should be grateful for even that small cut, because they didn't feel they owed him anything at all. Mick also claims there was a full band meeting and they decided to "unilaterally" remove him from MÖTLEY CRÜE.

Mick also repeatedly accused bassist Nikki Sixx of "gaslighting" him about his guitar skills diminishing, despite the fact that Sixx didn't "play a single note on bass" during a recent tour, according to the guitarist. Mick claims all of Nikki's parts were pre-recorded.

"Sixx made it clear to Mars that he believed that the [5 percent] offer was a generous one, and that Mars, after 41 consecutive years with the band, did not deserve anything going forward," Mick's lawyers wrote in the filing. "Sixx further 'gaslighted' Mars by severely criticizing his performances on the U.S. tour, and exclaimed that there is no way that the band could tour with Mars anymore."

Mars also claims that Sixx would make "band decisions" without telling the other musicians and would ask his bandmates to sign documents "immediately" on Fridays at 5 p.m.

"How did Mars's brothers of 41 years respond to Mars's tragic announcement [about quitting the road]?" asks the suit, according to Variety. "They noticed an emergency shareholders' meeting for the band's main corporate entity in order to throw Mars out of the band, to fire him as a director of the corporation, to fire him as an officer of the corporation, and to take away his shares of the corporation. When he did not go away quietly, they purported to fire him from six additional band corporations and LLCs."

The suit contends: "During much of the band's recent tenure, Sixx continually 'gaslighted' Mars by telling him that he [Mars] had some sort of cognitive dysfunction, and that his guitar playing was sub-par, claiming that Mars forgot chords, and sometimes started playing the wrong songs.

"Although Mars had indicated that the 12 U.S. stadium dates would be his last shows while touring, the 12 anticipated shows ultimately expanded to 36 shows, and Mars performed at every single one of them, in constant pain. Sixx's gaslighting came to a crescendo during the stadium tour, when he, knowing that this was Mars's last tour as a result of his increasingly painful and debilitating AS, and apparently already plotting to force him out of the band and take his shares, repeatedly told Mars that he was playing the wrong chords, and that fans were complaining about his playing.

"Astonishingly, Sixx made these claims about Mars's playing while he [Sixx] did not play a single note on bass during the entire U.S. tour," the lawsuit continues. "Ironically, 100% of Sixx's bass parts were nothing but recordings. Sixx was seen fist pumping in the air with his strumming hand, while the bass part was playing. In fact, a significant portion of [Vince] Neil's vocals were also pre-recorded. Even some of [Tommy] Lee's drum parts were recordings. Some fans actually noticed that Lee was walking toward his drum set as they heard his drum part begin.

"Mars, at times on the tour, did play the wrong chords, but not due to any cognitive dysfunction," the lawsuit continues. "He was playing live, and his in-ear monitors were constantly malfunctioning, causing Mars to be unable to hear his own instrument. The fact is that Mars is rarely mocked or criticized online. He is a quiet member of the group, who shows up to play, and puts his heart and soul into each performance. Conversely, other band members are often criticized online, particularly Neil, who is routinely torn to shreds for, among other things, not remembering the songs."

According to Variety, Mars's attorney says he was warned by the band's lawyers that "if your client rejects the severance package that was graciously offered to him by the band, he will get next to nothing. I suggest you think about the repercussions of this decision… There is undisputed legal cause here for Mick's removal. Mick is unable to perform as a full-fledged band member. Among other things, as demonstrated during the last tour, he repeatedly forgets his chords, does not play the right song, plays chords of a different song while on stage, and so on."

Regarding Mick's longtime battle with ankylosing spondylitis, which he was first diagnosed with at age 27, the lawsuit states: "This disease caused Mars' lower spine to seize up and freeze completely solid, causing scoliosis in his back, and also compressing his spine downward, so that he is now at least three inches shorter than he was in high school. His spine is now completely seized from pelvis to skull, a condition known as 'bamboo spine.' He cannot move his head in any direction."

Mick's filing claims that MÖTLEY CRÜE filed an arbitration case against him in February, "essentially suing him" to prove that it had the right to fire him from the band.

"They clearly commenced an arbitration, rather than a public lawsuit, so that the public would not be aware of the deplorable manner in which they treated their 'brother' of 41 years," lawyers for Mars wrote in the petition.

Mick is suing MÖTLEY CRÜE so he can go over all the financial books and determine if he's getting what he feels he deserves.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 09 avr. 2023, 13:03
par Tailgunner
Ca devient pathétique ces vieilles gloires. Ca a toujours été Dallas chez Mötley Crüe mais bon arriver à ça, à ces âges...
L'usage de bandes ne me surprend pas, quand je les ai vus en 2012 je suis certain que les gros choeurs massifs de Wild Side ou Primal Scream étaient enregistrés. Le chant de Vince Neil, non. Ou alors ils auraient fait exprès de l'enregistrer chantant faux, ce qui serait très fourbe :D

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 09 avr. 2023, 16:36
par demes
C'est bien possible, je me souviens que sur "Dr Feelgood" les deux danseuses chantaient les coeurs clairement juste pour faire joli.

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 09 avr. 2023, 23:05
par Tailgunner
J'allais pas citer non plus toute la setlist pour les choeurs sur bande :D

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 10 avr. 2023, 08:40
par metalrunner
depuis les années 80 le groupe utilise des bandes alors dites pas qui aurai pu prévoir :lol:

retour de Mötley Crüe

Posté : 10 avr. 2023, 09:19
par demes
Après c'est loin d'être le seul, y'en a même où les soupçons de playback sont forts...