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Schaffer est finalement condamné à 3 ans de probation et 120 heures de travaux d'intérêt général, il ne retournera donc pas en prison.

Il a publié un communiqué ci-dessous, dans lequel il s'excuse longuement, exprime ses regrets, et sous-entend à demi-mot avoir été manipulé. Très bien, mais... aussi sincère cela peut-il sembler, il fait essentiellement passer son coup de force sur une impulsivité stupide en gros, alors qu'en réalité son adhésion convaincue au complotisme précédait très largement cet épisode de plusieurs années, et à mon sens ce dernier n'en était que l'apothéose grand-guignolesque.
En clair il minimise autant que possible sa responsabilité et son lavage de cerveau je trouve, pour tenter de garder la face certainement, notamment vis-à-vis des fans ou ex-fans, tout en assumant malgré tout ses actes et ses fautes publiquement.
ICED EARTH's founding guitarist Jon Schaffer has been sentenced to three years of probation and 120 hours of community service in connection with his involvement in the January 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol. He will also have to pay $1,000 in restitution and a $200 financial assessment.
Earlier today (Friday, October 25),Jon issued the following statement via his attorneys Marc J. Victor and Andrew Marcantel of the Attorneys For Freedom Law Firm: "To my family, friends, and fans worldwide:

"I profoundly regret my actions on January 6th, 2021. I haven't been a perfect man, but for the majority of my life, I've been a very productive man, and have tried to live my life with integrity and a disciplined work ethic. I deeply love our country and the founding principles that have inspired people from all over the world to look at the USA as a beacon of hope for all of humanity. Having traveled the world for over 30 years and having performed in approximately 100 countries, it was always a great feeling and relief when the airplane would safely land at home on US soil.

"When the global pandemic came upon us, and chaos ensued all around the US in 2020, I was very concerned about what seemed to be a collapse of our country and the rule of law. When the 2020 election took place and I saw many public officials and media outlets reporting that the election was stolen, my concern deepened. This led to my decision to go to D.C. and have my voice heard. I'm not excusing my impulsive behavior. I was wrong, and I take ownership of my actions. I own the fact that I made a huge mistake, and I wish I never would have gone there. In fact, the consequences have been devastating on my life, family, friends, business, colleagues and business partners.

"I knew immediately that I had let my emotions get the best of me and made a terrible mistake. I drove home to Indiana the following morning on Thursday, January 7th, 2021. On the 8th I found my attorneys, and at my request they immediately reached out to the authorities. I willingly surrendered and cooperated with authorities. Initially, I was charged with multiple serious federal felony offenses and feared I may spend the rest of my life in prison. I spent several months in custody following my self-surrender. I was placed in solitary confinement with horrendous conditions, which was an extremely traumatic experience. I became the first person of the hundreds of co-defendants to enter a guilty plea, and have now been sentenced to probation.

"Until now, I have resisted the strong urge to issue a public statement due to my ongoing cooperation and the wishes of federal authorities. This extended period of silence has added additional challenges to my life as a public person. Since the beginning, I wanted to express my remorse for my actions and address the legitimate concerns of my fans worldwide. I watched as one media outlet after the next dragged my reputation through the mud and condemned me for not making any statement. However, I tried to be as productive as possible in lieu of my very damaged reputation and career.

"This whole situation has been extremely difficult. However, I know that I have become a better man because of it. I used to stay so busy that I didn't have much time for self-reflection. In the last three and a half years that's mostly what I've done. I have become a member of a wonderful church and improved myself spiritually, mentally, and physically. This personal revival has inspired me to continue writing and recording music. I'm certain there will be a very positive outlook in my future artistic creations.

"To my fans who have continued to support me throughout this deeply embarrassing ordeal, I want to apologize for letting you down and thank you for keeping me going. To those fans who I have lost due to my decisions that day, I certainly understand. I humbly ask everyone to allow me to demonstrate through my actions how far I've come. I wish to continue to use my art to unite people, and never to divide.

"Sincerely, Jon Schaffer".

"It says a lot about who you are in how quickly you came forward to accept responsibility," U.S. District judge Amit Mehta told Schaffer during today's sentencing hearing.

Schaffer apologized to his fans and said he deeply regrets the "pain and embarrassment" his actions have caused. "I'm sorry I let you down and I will work hard to rebuild your trust. You have my word: I will not let you down," Schaffer told the judge.

Schaffer's attorney Marc Victor told the judge the musician believed the 2020 election was fraudulent and that the country was "on the verge of a takeover" when he entered the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

"He was wrong but that's what he believed," Victor said. "He was misled by people in the executive branch."
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Il doit plus avoir un rond après tout ça (la justice coûte très très cher aux USA), il faut qu'il fasse amende honorable pour pouvoir refaire des concerts...alors il trouve cette excuse de "manipulation". Je n'y crois pas une seconde.
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Vu d'ici "I have become a member of a wonderful church" ça ressemble à une récidive :D
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Oui à mon avis les mecs ont pas dû trop forcer pour le manipuler au père Schaffer hein... Et pour celles et ceux qui en douteraient je mentionnerai une fois de plus son projet Sons Of Liberty grâce auquel on peut voir que le terreau était déjà bien fertile :lol:
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Je ne peux pas non plus croire qu'il ait autant changé que ce qu'il affirme, car à aucun moment dans son communiqué il ne remet en cause la paranoïa complotiste qui l'accompagnait depuis des années et son soutien croissant au totalitarisme sous couvert de pseudo-défense de l'indépendance des USA. Il reconnait tout juste avoir été "manipulé" par quelques politiques et médias, et admet indirectement que l'élection n'a pas été volée. Mais ça ne va pas beaucoup plus loin.

En revanche il est sincère quand il regrette s'être retrouvé au Capitole et avoir joué au putschiste, ce qui lui a valu de bousiller sa carrière, ses finances, et d'éloigner une partie de son entourage. Il a effectivement choisi de coopérer avec les autorités et de dénoncer ses compagnons de milice, ce qui était la posture la plus rationnelle pour sauver ses fesses et parvenir à éviter in extremis des années de taule.

En clair il semble regretter davantage les conséquences que les causes de ses actes. En l'état cela ne prouve pas qu'il ait changé sa perception des choses, juste qu'à l'avenir il fera moins le con en public avec un spray anti-ours.

Je ne sais pas pourquoi mais je sens que toute la discographie d'Iced Earth va être rééditée, avec compilation de raretés et plein de lives inédits :D Mais pas via Century Media qui ne sont plus trop chauds pour s'associer à Schaffer, alors il créera son propre label (Heavy Trump Records? :mad:).
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Une petite interview de Schaffer.

Sur le plan musical il ne prévoit pas de relancer Iced Earth pour le moment, mais affirme avoir eu des propositions lucratives dans ce sens.

A noter que Schaffer qualifie de "chasse aux sorcières" sa mise au ban par le milieu metal (notamment son label) après sa participation à l'invasion du Capitole. Le pauvre chou, c'est une victime maintenant. Plus étonnant, il qualifie le départ de son chanteur Stu Block de geste de "poser", ce que n'a évidemment pas apprécié ce dernier!
Dans le même temps Schaffer demande aux fans de ne pas accabler Block et de ne pas l'insulter... juste après l'avoir jeté aux lions.

Il considère donc que Stu Block a manqué de courage et de loyauté envers Iced Earth en quittant le navire pour préserver sa carrière de chanteur.
Ironique quand on sait que Schaffer a balancé tous les noms de ses potes de milice à la police fédérale pour s'éviter d'aller en taule.
Qui est le plus lâche entre les deux?

Autant dire que ce ne sont pas vraiment les propos de quelqu'un qui a réfléchi à ses actions comme il le prétend ("j'ai fait des erreurs mais j'ai changé" / "désormais j'ai trouvé Jésus" blablabla), non pas que j'y ai cru un seul instant.
During an appearance on the latest episode of the ICED EARTH-centric Podcast Of The Wicked podcast, ICED EARTH's founding guitarist Jon Schaffer, whose band effectively split up after he was arrested for his involvement in the January 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol, was asked if there are any plans for him to get ICED EARTH back together. He responded in part (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "Look, the short answer is no, not anytime soon.

"I just want the fans to know that this has been a lot, and I've had great offers, great financial offers [to bring ICED EARTH back], so if it was about chasing money, but that's a checkers move, first of all. And it wouldn't be good for me or the band or the crew or the fans, because I need to do this because I love it, and whatever happens needs to happen and be truly inspired and not a 'good' ICED EARTH record or a 'good' show or whatever; it's gotta be gold. And that's gonna take some time.

"I've got a lot of recovering to do from all of this, and I'm working on that," Jon continued. "And I have a job that I absolutely love that feels like it's serving a purpose much greater than anything I've done before. And I know the music has helped a lot of people and I really appreciate that, and I love them for that. I love the fans. We have the best fans; we always have. Since the very beginning, there's just been this kind of a loyalty, and that's an amazing thing. But this is a season, and anybody that's lived long enough knows that in your life, you go through seasons. And there's been major changes, which very likely will result in the best music that I've ever written. And I think there's a good possibility of that. But the time is not right now. And I don't wanna push and force something because it's not gonna be good for anybody — it's not gonna be good for me, it's not gonna be good for the band, it's not gonna be good for the fans.

"This is a long legacy," Schaffer said. "I started this band 40 years ago, and that's a long time. And I worked my ass off for it. And God gave me the gifts, but I did the work, and did a crazy amount of work. And it's a solid legacy. And so I don't have anything to prove to anybody. I don't miss performing right now. I mean, that was never really my thing anyway. It was always about the songs. That's the number one — period, end of story, that's it. Everything else you do because that's what you have to do to get your songs heard. ICED EARTH, along with [Jon's other projects] DEMONS & WIZARDS and SONS OF LIBERTY, and when my old buddies in PURGATORY and I got back together, that was a fun thing. That was a fun project to do. That was not really because of work; it was because it was a fun thing to do with old friends. It's gotta be inspired. I'm not gonna do this to go out and chase federal reserve notes or euros. That's not the way I'm built. It would definitely make it easier for me to get my financial world back in order, but I don't whore myself out and I never have. And that's the whole point. And just getting off of that hamster wheel of 'album, tour, album, tour, album, tour', it's been a good thing for me. I think that there's a very good chance that something can happen in the future. Right now, my energies are focused on something that is not self-serving that is being part of something that is really trying to make significant change and to try to push our society into a freer society — pointing it back towards the founding principles, even maybe a little bit better, this philosophy, the live-and-let-live philosophy.

"I'm not gonna make any promises about anything right now," Schaffer added. "There's a huge catalog to celebrate. The first album has probably been reissued close to 15 times at this point, which blows me away because I wouldn't have even thought about that when I was however old I was then, 20 years old or whatever. And so that's awesome. The catalog, it keeps going. So that means that there's still demand out there, which is very humbling. But I know the rough spots in my catalog. I know when it was going, I had to do it because of scheduling and because of the business. And you're sort of going through the motions, pushing through things at times you probably shouldn't. So you have to trust me. I know how this works, and I know whatever that we deliver in the future has got to be nothing short of amazing or I'm not gonna do it, because I don't wanna do it if that's the case. It's just not a smart move; it's just not."

Schaffer also talked about his current relationship with two of his former bandmates, ex-ICED EARTH singer Stu Block and BLIND GUARDIAN frontman Hansi Kürsch, both of whom distanced themselves from Jon's actions following the initial reports that Schaffer was involved in the riot. Block, the Canadian-born vocalist who had fronted ICED EARTH since 2011, officially quit the band in February 2021, stating at the time it was "the best decision in many ways" for his "personal and professional growth going forward." Around the same time, the German-born Kürsch quit DEMONS & WIZARDS, his long-running project with Schaffer.

Schaffer told Podcast Of The Wicked in part: "Let me just take this opportunity to say, I hope that the fans out there will stop — I mean, my wish is that they would stop hating on Stu and on Hansi… The guys were pressured. Some guys handled it better, some guys handled it very weak and kind of pathetic. And I think the biggest issue when it comes to Stu is that he made a post [on January 6, 2021] cheering it on and then flipped and that looks like a total poser move. You know what? It is a total poser move, but it's okay. Forgive him. We did some great work together. I had some of the best times in my life with Stu… I have very precious memories with Stu, so please just forgive him. I forgive him."

Jon continued: "Everybody is a flawed human being. And the thing is Hansi and I are still close and we are always gonna be. And the difference is that we talked before I turned myself in, several times, and I knew what was coming because the pressure he was under, and he hated it. But it's a witch hunt. It was a witch hunt. And it is what it is. It's a bummer, because we write great stuff together and we were on a serious trajectory. I mean, the last show I played in Europe, headlining Wacken [Open Air festival in Wacken, Germany] on Saturday night in front of a hundred thousand people, and it was fantastic. And SLAYER went on after us and about 70 percent of the crowd left, and it was their last show in Germany. I mean, I'm just saying that's what happened. I was pretty, pretty shocked. The reunion tour of DEMONS & WIZARDS was hugely successful. And we had an amazing contract, actually, a really, really amazing contract. But Hansi had to do what he had to do. It is what it is. I treasure the memories that I've had with Hansi, and we're gonna have more — probably not musically; I doubt that's ever gonna happen. I don't even know if I'm gonna do music again; that's off the table right now. But just as brothers, nothing's going to change that.

"Look, I'm all about free speech, man — I am," Schaffer added. "I'm just asking, try to be a good human about this. You have the freedom to say that. I don't censor anything. I don't have the ability to now, but even when I did, when I had the admin access to those pages, people can te talk shit. There was only one or two times where there was some really vile, hateful stuff directed at Stu that I deleted those posts, but I've never done that because I don't really care. I mean, I believe in freedom. You're allowed to say what you want to say. But let's forget all the division and stuff.

"I'm not an angel. I have behaved poorly in the past. I've made mistakes — everybody has — so let's just forget all that and let's focus on the good stuff, because we did a lot of good shit together. I mean, we really did — with both of those guys.

"The 'cancel culture' mob mentality, it's real, and if you're not really strong and really of your convictions, it's gonna have an effect. So it's, like, I get it, and I don't hold any ill will and I would really love for the fans to just let it go and celebrate… This catalog that's hanging up behind me was done with a lot of very talented, cool people. Whatever drama, whatever shit's happened, let's let it go. I really don't have any ill will. I know [Stu's] true colors, so that's a good thing. I'm not interested in hanging out like we did — I have no interest in that — but he's a part of the band's history and we did some great stuff together. And I wish him well."
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Il y en a qui écoutent encore ce qu'il raconte ? Ce mec n'est définitivement plus crédible, mais je peux comprendre le coté distrayant. :D
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