Matt Barlow de retour dans Iced Earth!

[over'phil]

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pas la deception de l'année vu que j'en attendais pas grand chose mais bon un des albums très moyen sorti cette année.

[Yathin Lizzy]

Finalement, il était pas si mal The Glorious Burdon

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Je l'ai toujours défendu, The Glorious Burden, même si l'album est inégal. "Gettysburg" est à mon goût ce que Schaffer a composé de mieux

[Yathin Lizzy]

Je l'ai toujours défendu

Je le préfère même à Horror Show

[Holy Cross]

je le trouve vraiment a part dans la disco de iced earth et je le trouve vraiment enorme!!!

[over'phil]

the glorious burden est quand même plus rentre dedans que les part II et part I, moi je l'aime bien cet opus

[hallowedhail]

Je l'ai toujours défendu, The Glorious Burden, même si l'album est inégal. "Gettysburg" est à mon goût ce que Schaffer a composé de mieux

Pareil je l'écoute toujours de temps à autres avec plaisir!

[eklipse]

Sans doute parcque je n'ai jamais été une super grande fan d'Iced Earth, encore moins de la période Ripper, et que les deux derniers albums ont vite finit au fond de la discothèque, mais pour le moment je l'adore cet album!Je l'écoute d'une traite sans aucun problème, et il y a 4 ou 5 titres qui me font dresser les poils. A (re)voir sur scène, mais rien que la prestation du graspop

[Yathin Lizzy]

Venez pas me dire que l'album est génial et celui de Metallica pourri

[Holy Cross]

Venez pas me dire que l'album est génial et celui de Metallica pourri

c'est clair

Je préfère iced earth a metallica sur l'ensemble de leurs albums mais la entre le death magnetic et le crucible of man mon choix est vite fait!

[over'phil]

Venez pas me dire que l'album est génial et celui de Metallica pourri

c'est clair

Je préfère iced earth a metallica sur l'ensemble de leurs albums mais la entre le death magnetic et le crucible of man mon choix est vite fait!

c'est bizarre pour moi aussi

[over'phil]

Sans doute parcque je n'ai jamais été une super grande fan d'Iced Earth, encore moins de la période Ripper, et que les deux derniers albums ont vite finit au fond de la discothèque, mais pour le moment je l'adore cet album!Je l'écoute d'une traite sans aucun problème, et il y a 4 ou 5 titres qui me font dresser les poils. A (re)voir sur scène, mais rien que la prestation du graspop

le dernier ICED EARTH est passe deux fois dans ma platine CD puis a fait un atterissage vertical reussi dans mon meuble a CD.
Pire j'ai même pas envie de l'écouter en allant au boulot alors que le motorhead ou le dernier Metallica ca passe nickel a 7h du mat ou a 18 h le soir.
En plus ca donne la peche d'ecouter un petit "buried alive" (motorhead) ou un "that was just your life" (metallica) avant d'attaquer le boulot.

[eklipse]

Venez pas me dire que l'album est génial et celui de Metallica pourri

Comme quoi les goûts et les couleurs
Mais je n'ai jamais dit que le dernier iced earth était génial, ni que le Metallica était pourri. mais pour le coup, le crucible man, j'arrive à l'écouter en entier et plusieurs fois par jour, ce qui était loin d'être le cas des deux derniers albums. peut-être qu'il est tombé au bon moment pour moi celui là, et que je devrais me réécouter toute la discographie pour mieux apprécier les autres, et moins celui là en comparaison? A voir sur du long terme, mais je pense que ça fait partie des rares albums que je réécouterais de temps en temps pour le plaisir.

[Yathin Lizzy]

Mais je n'ai jamais dit que le dernier iced earth était génial, ni que le Metallica était pourri.

Mais j'ai jamais dit que tu l'avais dit !

[Everflow]

Je l'ai même pas pris, alors qu'avant je n'aurai pas hésité une seconde... Mais ca tourne vraiment en rond, et l'avant dernier m'a tellement rebuté qu'à mon avis ce groupe est dead pour moi. Quand je pense à quel point il me faisait triquer début 2000...

C'est pareil pour moi, pourtant les concerts avec Barlow cet été m'avaient remotivé, mais là à lire les commentaires j'ai l'enthousiasme qui retombe un peu à plat...

[Oliber]

Pour moi c'est la deuxieme bonne surprise du mois de Septembre apres le motorhead !

Faut dire que la 1ere ecoute s'est faite dans des conditions quasi paradisiaques !

Olivier

[Blaster]

Je lis les commentaires des gens de l'antre sur Iced Earth et Metallica et je suis persuadé que vous avez inversé les deux albums c'est pas possible autrement

[Le G@SP]

Bah à l'Antre ils se bourrent la gueule avant de mettre les albums, ça explique pas mal les choses!

[over'phil]

Je l'ai même pas pris, alors qu'avant je n'aurai pas hésité une seconde... Mais ca tourne vraiment en rond, et l'avant dernier m'a tellement rebuté qu'à mon avis ce groupe est dead pour moi. Quand je pense à quel point il me faisait triquer début 2000...

C'est pareil pour moi, pourtant les concerts avec Barlow cet été m'avaient remotivé, mais là à lire les commentaires j'ai l'enthousiasme qui retombe un peu à plat...

+1 pour moi , le concert du BYH je l'ai trouvé excellent mais le part II beaucoup moins, disons que le pauvre matthew a du s'adapter a des compos déjà enregistré en 2007. MIs a part ca Matthew Barlow chante toujours très bien.

[Sanctuary]

Je vous trouve vraiment dur dans l'ensemble car c'est un bon album. C'est clair que ce n'est pas le meilleur album d'Iced Earth mais ça fait du bien de l'écouter.
J'avoue que je ne suis peut-être pas très objectif car je suis un inconditionnel de Matt Barlow
Toujours est-il que je ne boude pas mon bonheur à écouter cet album qui reste pour moi une très bonne surprise

[Yathin Lizzy]

disons que le pauvre matthew a du s'adapter a des compos déjà enregistré en 2007.

Oui mais ca change rien ... Barlow contribué aux textes de cet album comme il l'avait fait pour les précédents... (y compris The Glorious Burdon où il est crédité sur un ou deux titres)....

[Everflow]

Interview de Schaffer où il parle du box set réunissant tous les Something Wicked, c'est un peu le bordel j'avoue que j'ai pas trop lu

Metal Asylum recently conducted an interview with ICED EARTH mainman Jon Schaffer. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow below.

Metal Asylum: Now that Matt [Barlow, vocals] is back in the band, have you thought of going back and re recording the vocals for "Framing Armageddon"? You also mentioned a box set?

Jon: Yeah, originally the box set was something that was planned from the beginning when we knew we would be completing the "Something Wicked" story. So I asked SPV to make sure that "Framing Armageddon Pt. 1" and "Crucible of Man Pt. 2" would be released only once without those albums coming out again as some kind of special edition because we already had these plans to re release both albums in this "Something Wicked" box set. So it makes sense to have the continuity between parts 1 and 2 now that Matt is back in the band. I have my own studio so it makes this not such a hard thing to accomplish and it's really cool because I can go back and remix and fix some of the low end issues I had on "Framing Armageddon" and also something I was able to address on part 2. Part 2, I think, is a bit more punchier than part 1.

Metal Asylum: What else will the "Something Wicked" box set include aside from "Framing Armageddon Pt. 1" and "The Crucible of Man Pt. 2"?

Jon: It will include the "Overture of the Wicked" EP which has the newer versions of the original trilogy ("Prophecy", "Birth of the Wicked", "The Coming Curse" from the "Something This Way Wicked Comes" album) but Matt re-singing those songs, then it will have "Framing Armageddon Pt. 1" remixed with Matt singing, a DVD with footage from the festivals we did this summer in Europe plus behind the scenes of us making parts 1 and 2.

Metal Asylum: Recording any shows for DVD?

Jon: Yes, we are. We recorded at several of the festivals we played in Europe and we are planning to put a DVD out in January/February, but this is not going to be an ICED EARTH full-production DVD but it will be better than "Alive in Athens". But it is festivals, so it's a different situation from our show where you will get lights, pyro, our stage design. It's gonna either be the show from the Metalcamp [in Slovenia] or the Rock Hard festival [in Germany]. Those were the two that were shot pro with multiple cameras but I have not seen or heard the masters to decide which is the better show. Then you will get some behind-the-scenes stuff and highlights from Graspop [Metal Meeting in Belgium] and some of the other shows. We are gonna call it the "Summer Slaughter".

Metal Asylum: When you do record this show for DVD, have you ever considered maybe doing a history type thing where you start at the beginning of ICED EARTH's career and play songs from the first album to the present?

Jon: I don't know yet. It depends actually because I have been asked if we are going to do the whole "Something Wicked" saga live, but that really depends on the fans if they wanna see that. I want to see what the long-term feeling on this record is and if that's what they want to see then I would work to make it happen. I can't say yet. Whenever the time comes, we will do a show on the level that I have been wanting to do a DVD for a long time. Actually, I would like to do a historical-type thing, something like we did for the "Horror Show" over in Europe. It was great and I wish we taped it but Century Media didn't believe in the idea. We did three sets with no support band. For the first set, the stage looked like it was made of metal and we played only songs from the first three albums, then the curtain closed and the set changed to look Egyptian where we played songs from "The Dark Saga" and "Something Wicked", then the stage changed again with the back drop and artwork for "Horror Show" and we came back and did the whole album live. We had pyro, did a couple costume changes; it was really a spectacle and it should have been filmed and I don't understand and can't believe Century Media wasn't willing to cough up the cash to tape it.

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Jon: It will include the "Overture of the Wicked" EP which has the newer versions of the original trilogy ("Prophecy", "Birth of the Wicked", "The Coming Curse" from the "Something This Way Wicked Comes" album) but Matt re-singing those songs[...]

Incroyable (mais j'ai du mal à y croire) ! Ils vont réenregistrer l'EP de 2007 (qui était déjà un remake du "Something Wicked" de 1998), sauf que ce sera cette fois Barlow au chant.
On se retrouvera donc au final avec 3 versions de cette trilogie...
Quant au coffret proprement dit... Schaffer n'a pas compris qu'on n'en a plus rien à foutre de son concept foireux et qu'on veut qu'il passe à autre chose ? Ca devient n'importe quoi

[Mr. Sandman]

C'est un peu ce que j'ai mis y'a 2 pages non ?

[Everflow]

Nouvelle interview de Schaffer où il parle d'histoire, et forcément de politique : http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6657

[Everflow]

Et encore une, où là il dit que Tim Owens n'était dans ICED EARTH que pour toucher son chèque, qu'il ne se donnait à fond qu'en studio mais pas sur scène.
C'est pas forcément faux, sauf que c'est Schaffer lui-même qui impose cette situation vu comment il considère ses musiciens.
Il croit peut-être que les mecs vont s'investir corps et âme dans son groupe alors qu'ils n'ont aucun droit sur les compos et les choix du groupe?

http://metalexiles.com/main/page_featur ... earth.html

Metal Exiles: You mentioned consistency with your record labels so you could release the records right. What about consistency between "Framing Armageddon" and "The Crucible of Man" with [former singer] Tim "Ripper" Owens doing one and [current vocalist] Matt Barlow doing the other?

Jon: Things happen. Tim was great to work with in the studio and from a stand point of performing live he was great as far as being an incredible vocalist but he was not a true believer in this band. It was a job for him and ICED EARTH is not about that. The guys that were in the band before Matt were true believers in the band and the crowds went ape shit for them and there was a good feeling on stage. That was the thing that was missing and it became apparent to me that a change was going to have to be made. A change was coming regardless but it just so happened that Matt and I spoke after we did the European "Framing" tour and the first thing that we spoke about was doing a project together. As the conversation continued, why do a side project when we can just do ICED EARTH together?! This was not something that was planned and within two or three days from our conversation a decision was made. I was not vetting this out for months. As a composer, this does not change things for me much. I know some people will have trouble getting their heads around that but to me the voice is another instrument and when I write these parts I am writing for the song. I do not write for a singer, a singer must be able to deliver my songs. I do not sit around worrying about my material and by working with guys of this caliber they will be able to deliver what it is as a writer I require otherwise they would not get the gig.

Metal Exiles: So the passion for the band was missing from Tim?

Jon: Only from a performance standpoint because in the studio we did great stuff. He was more interested in doing his solo thing, that was where his head was at and it was becoming more and more obvious. This band was a means to an end for him.

Metal Exiles: ICED EARTH was a paycheck?

Jon: Absolutely, and that is not what ICED EARTH is about. I wish Tim all the best in the world, I am a big fan of his voice and I love the records that we did together. In a way it works anyway because "Framing" is the precursor to the birth of Set and "Crucible" is Set and it is mostly from his perspective so in a sense Framing is telling the prophecy and "Crucible" is Set.

Metal Exiles: You have the Tim Owens thing but you have always had a revolving door. Do you think that has affected ICED EARTH at all or is it all Jon Schaffer's vision?

Jon: ICED EARTH is a vehicle for my songs, that is all it has ever been. People follow a band so they have this fantasy about how a band operates and how it must be but 99% of the time it is all horseshit because they do not know what the reality of it is. I did not start this band to be some egomaniacal rock star, I do not give a fuck about that. I do not give a fuck about being a guitar hero, those are not my goals. The guitar is a tool to write songs and ICED EARTH is a vehicle for my compositions. It has also been a series struggle especially in those first 13 years with Century Media. It was a situation that most bands would have broken up under. These are all things that people do not know about and they make judgments about them and it does not bother me. Anybody that has worked with me knows that I am very fair and loyal but there is a point that I do not put up with anybody's bullshit. At the end of the day it does not make a big difference. It has everything to do with management, record companies, booking agents, publishers. Those are the four things that matters with a bands success. It has nothing to do with Joe Blow on the drums, bass or guitar, it does not matter. If the machine is there and the product is there, which it always has been and every ICED EARTH album has sold well regardless of who is in the band. People in the industry know that the record is going to sell well anyway. It is one of those things that does not concern me and no it is not all about me but it is all about my songs.